In this Teisho, given during Zazenkai on November 14, 2020, Rinzan Pechovnik Osho examines "The Blue Cliff Record, Case 4: Tokusan Visits Isan." The mind wants to know, but deep spiritual practice involves a direct experience beyond knowing. Even then, when we have plumbed the depths, there is more to open to. Spiritual arrogance is the trap laid out on our journey toward maturity.