In this thought-provoking conversation, Helen Toner, Director of Strategy at the Center for Security and Emerging Technology (CSET), discusses her perspectives on AI development, regulation, and international competition. Toner shares insights from her time on OpenAI's board, clarifying that reports about a "Q*" breakthrough influencing the board's decision were "totally false." She introduces her concept of "adaptation buffers"—critical windows of time between when AI capabilities are first demonstrated and when they become widely accessible—arguing that society needs this time to build resilience against potential misuse. Toner also explores the challenges of implementing effective AI governance, military applications of AI decision support systems, and the complex dynamics of US-China relations in the emerging AI landscape.

Helen Toner's appearance on the TED AI show: https://www.ted.com/talks/the_ted_ai_show_what_really_went_down_at_openai_and_the_future_of_regulation_w_helen_toner

Helen Toner's substack : https://helentoner.substack.com/

Additional recommended reads:

https://helentoner.substack.com/p/nonproliferation-is-the-wrong-approach

https://cset.georgetown.edu/publication/ai-for-military-decision-making/

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/ai-regulation-s-champions-can-seize-common-ground-or-be-swept-aside

https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/05/26/ai-firms-mustnt-govern-themselves-say-ex-members-of-openais-board

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CHAPTERS:

(00:00) Teaser

(06:04) Introduction and Background

(09:32) AI Timeline Perspectives

(12:26) OpenAI Board Experience

(17:04) OpenAI Culture Discussion (Part 1)

(19:20) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) | Shopify

(20:33) Sponsors: Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) | Shopify

(22:30) OpenAI Culture Discussion (Part 2)

(24:03) OpenAI's Contradictory Messaging

(26:15) Whistleblowing in AI

(31:30) AI Transparency Requirements (Part 1)

(36:30) Sponsors: NetSuite

(37:58) AI Transparency Requirements (Part 2)

(38:38) Adaptation Buffers Concept

(44:06) Technical vs. Societal Solutions

(52:13) AI Regulation Approaches

(57:20) Iterative Deployment Challenges

(01:05:50) US-China AI Competition

(01:14:54) Military Decision Support Systems

(01:20:57) Future AI Military Equilibrium

(01:27:39) Outro