All Black prop Karl Tu'inukuafe weighs in at over 130kg - and he feels the expectations that come with his size. Model Rob Tennent is a lot smaller, and says women's clothes fit him better than men's. But both make a living by looking after and using their bodies. So, in 2021, is there a perfect men's style or body? He'll Be Right presenters John Daniell and Glenn McConnell investigate.

When the word most associated with 'masculinity' is 'toxic', it's clear we have some problems. Domestic abuse has been called New Zealand's shame, and the Me Too movement has highlighted how powerful men have used their power to abuse women. In this episode, John and Glenn meet a man who has gone from abusing to helping to reform other abusive men. They also speak to Stuff's Me Too editor Alison Mau. This show contains explicit refrences to domesic abuse.

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All Black prop Karl Tu'inukuafe weighs in at over 130kg – and he feels the expectations that come with his size. Model Rob Tennent is a lot smaller, and says women's clothes fit him better than men's. But both make a living by looking after and using their bodies. So, in 2021, is there a perfect men's style or body? He'll Be Right presenters John Daniell and Glenn McConnell investigate.

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In this six-part podcast, former professional rugby player John Daniell and journalist Glenn McConnell travel New Zealand trying to find the rulebook for how to be a man in 2021. Their journey sees them meeting all sorts: an All Black, experts in tikanga, fathers of more than one gender – and the men fighting to curb the country's mental health and domestic violence epidemics.

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We've made it to the end, so the last question is: Are you a modern man? Do we fit the bill? With Glenn up in Auckland, John takes a visit to his childhood home and discovers the truth about his misspent youth. We also meet an anthropologist at Te Papa, and dad, Sean Mallon who says modern masculinity is still full of ritual and tradition.