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What is going on everybody? This is Michele Heyward. And guess what? Let’s see. Let’s hope this works. Okay, got it tested. And let’s hope this comes out, but I’m Michele Heyward. am I calling sim civil engineer, founder of the tech company positive hire What is up Noel’s garden? So I went live and I did not have my microphone plugged in. So, now I’m like, it’s my sound working, it’s not working. Okay, and maybe I turned it down. Thank you so much for inviting your followers. So, so we are going to be talking about tonight. Being in a workplace that is, hey, being in a workplace whether it is an inclusive workplace versus an accepting workplace? What does that look like and how they’re different? And how do you cope in both of those? Hey, Chris. So, what I want to start with is let’s talk about what an inclusive workplaces because most of us have not worked in one. And we’re like, Michelle, what is that? What do you mean? What are you talking about? So an inclusive workplace, your differences, don’t stand out. The Way You Look, you talk your background, whatever it is, it doesn’t stand out and make you seem as though you’re an outlier. Actually, in a inclusive workplace, your differences are valued. The way you talk, the way you dress, the way you see the world all value. So it’s a different view. It’s a different viewpoint on how they, they respect. They respect your differences, whether it’s your fro, or back in the day when I had straight hair just I don’t know four or five years ago. It’s about you being a woman, a person of color, being a different religion to now they all see that as valuable to the organization. So when you’re in a closed, inclusive workplace, I like to describe it this way. And inclusive workplace is like a salad. And what I mean by a salad is there are different ingredients in a salad. And you know what they are, but to gether, they make a salad right? a cucumber is just a cucumber. romaine is just lettuce, spinach is just spinach. cru tones are just old Dale or toasted bread, right? Tomato is just a tomato. But when you bring those Things all together, you’re making a salad. And each one of those ingredients brings something different. Get delicious to that salad. And you appreciate every bite of that salad and everything that is different about those ingredients and it makes it work really well together. So an inclusive workplace. They’re not sitting there like oh, you a cucumber. Row you see him? Yeah, man I see. See him? They don’t it doesn’t do that. Okay, that’s row may romaine lettuce. Yeah, I get it. But anyway, it doesn’t they don’t focus on your differences like that. They look at your differences as invaluable to the organization. And another big thing about an inclusive workplace you’re less likely to feel isolated. Yes, does that feel like wonderful like hey, so what what what happens was you’re like, no No, no. Or when you will embrace oh my gosh, how did they do that with their hands? You know, you’re getting that. But in accepting workplace so you’re doing something different with your hair. Or when you come into an accepting workplaces, a new employee or new to that location new in a role, you will get what I call 21,000 questions. Well, so what kind of training have you done? Well, who have you worked for? Do you know how difficult it is here? We don’t do that here. You can’t you get told what you can do. Right? Well, are you sure they hire you to do that?
What do you mean that’s your office? You’re that shirt company or how do you get a staff you Question by multiple people about your abilities about your credentials about your experience. Like they interviewing you for the job that you already got hired for. Y’all. Let me tell you something, just what I’ve started doing. I said, so do you give out raises? What’s your bro? You probably report to me next week. I get your invoice. I can approve your timesheet. So right now, let me just say your time is gonna be real short. When you’re an accepting workplace, a lot of times you will get questioned over and over no matter how many years you’re there. Somebody’s always gonna be questioning you. Well, how did I literally had somebody asked, Well, how are you making more than me? And I’m nice to say What did you ask for a raise? Well, how much work experience so you have the person has zero work expense. Before they came working for this particular employer, I had four years. It was like, Oh, I was like Naboo. I’m not the one. So it’s really, when you’re an accepting workplace, you feel isolated. because number one, you can’t be mediocre. You have to be top of the game to be accepted by the mediocre people. That’s the sad part. Like the exceptional people may feel everybody may feel as though you’re a threat. But to do exceptionally well, you are with the mediocre people. But being accepted, you will see more of the diversity come and go in that organization. And what will happen is you will stay longer a lot of times to other people of color, especially women of color. If you’re accepted. It doesn’t mean You always get raises, it doesn’t mean you’ll always get the promotions you want. But you will generally see better opportunity than others who look like you whether they come in came in before you or after you in that employer. So then you have to sit there and decide how long do you want to stay in this accepted place. Because a lot of times, your Your time will run out. And it may be five years and maybe 10 years, it literally for somebody It was 20 years before their time ran out. And what happens when you’re accepted, your name gets mentioned, Oh, we got that one colored person. So your name gets mentioned in behind closed doors as the one you want to keep because you’ve been accepted. And you may get to see some of the other side of how businesses run. It’s not by credentials, it is simply by who you are connected to who is advocating for you That is an inclusive workplace, but that they have accepted you on on some level. And that exception truly, your work can beat a woman. Guess what? They still may not accept you. being accepted is is not there is no one way there is no one formula. But if it’s somebody in that organization that goes, you know, it’s it’s like high school, like if a popular kid says or a jock says Oh, that nerd over there is acceptable. They’re cool. That one nerd is on the inside. That one person from the band is cool. until somebody on the at that level, who does the accepting says that you’re accepted. You’re not accepted. No, it doesn’t equals Equity, it surely doesn’t. So, but but inclusion sometimes will mean you can come to work more at yourself, then being accepted. So what I mean by that when you’re an accepting workplace, you are more times than not conforming, or not even conforming, maybe more in line with that culture. In an inclusive workplace, the culture is created by the people because they value your differences. When it’s accepting that culture has now been created in a different way. Where in
being different is not acceptable. being different, you have to fit in on some level And that’s why your time Julie runs out because you are not acceptable on every level or as many levels as they have throughout the organization. So, what what this accepting looks look like? Let me let me just clarify, accepting, being accepted in a workplace does not mean you have your sellout. It does not mean you have done anything wrong. So, let me let me just clarify that. What it does mean you can have more opportunity, and the ability to do different things in that organization than others who look like you and you may even have power to bring about change
So what do I mean by that? So you may be able to hire more diverse candidates. But remember, you’re not an inclusive workplace. So this is what I want to tell you, most of us will find accepting workplaces and not inclusive workplaces. So these are three tips I have for you when it comes to walking into an employer that is not inclusive, and to look to see what it takes to be accepted. Because I’ve seen people who’ve been accepted in the workplace and they bounce. They’ve been in 1718 years. And you know what? They realize? Some that Oprah said, time’s up, and they’re out of there. Exactly. They literally know, his time’s up and then they leave. And this can be for various reasons. So one If you’re an accepting workplace, and you have made it except that side, know who your advocate is or why you made it over there, because if it is a particular person, if that person leaves the organization, you may find you’re no longer on the accepted side to what I call when let me not call it that you’re on the side we’re in you can become a casualty. You’ve gotten a little bit of comfort, you may still be seen as a threat, but you may have been more of a an asset to the person who got you to the excepted side. So you must always know who that person or persons are, because once they’re gone, you’re probably not gonna be far behind. Number two. Number two, know what you know. Yeah, like what the hell that mean? When we are in organizations, especially the longer we’re there, we become a hub of information we become a lot of times an expert at something, you need to know what you’re an expert. Because when you know what you’re an expert up, you can then position yourself for number three, to go work someplace else as an expert. So, know how you got to accept inside, know what the hell you know, and know how to position yourself in that industry. So what I mean by positioning yourself and this is what a lot of people don’t do. You need to be showing in your industry in a small niche, not just a hole in a small niche that you’re really good at something. Are you really good at? I’m conquering concrete. Like you can write up the bass comment. creat mix design, right? For for some really great peer foundations and different things right? Is that your thing as a structure engineer? Are you really good at going and setting up new facilities that are manufacturing products and nobody else has set up a new facility before and you know how to set up all the equipment. You know how to make sure people go through. The employees are okay, they’re safe, and they aren’t hurting themselves from doing the same movement over. Are you really good at pulling projects back on, on time on schedule and within budget? Know what you’re really good at because when you do and a lot of times you don’t realize what you know. But others do and this is how you can find a witch how you can find out what you’re really good at what the hell they always asking you to do and they may not be giving you credit for Well, okay, you weren’t late and pull that together. Hey, such and such said on the last project you did this. Hey, they said when you were down in Louisiana you did that. They said when you were out in LA, you did this. People when people are talking about you, and they come to you telling you to they’re talking about you, and what they are saying about you note that because that is what they’re seeing as your strength as to what you bring to the organization, and probably why you got accepted. Mm hmm. Now, they may not have given you a raise on what you’re really good at, and they may not have given you a promotion because you’re really good at stuff.
That’s a whole other discussion but There Katie usually asking you to do the same thing over and over again. This is how you know what you’re an expert in, if you haven’t figured it out yet. So position yourself when you’re writing up, blogs, white papers, you’re going up discussing projects, to our work that you’re doing an industry with your employer or clients, so that people are seeing you differently. Because the more you hide behind the computer screen, the less likely people want to know what you worked on. So one great place to go. That makes it really easy is LinkedIn to do a blog post there just once a month, do about 750 words, maybe start now 500 men working to 1000 words where you’re discussing an issue and you can give three steps in the first blog. Then the next block the next month, you go into more detail on step one After that you go into detail on step two to month after that you go in detail on step three. But when people search for your name, they can read exactly what you’re good at. So no longer are you waiting for a headhunter to find you that hiring manager for your next opportunity is actually messing you because they see the value you bring. That doesn’t mean you won’t be getting 21,000 questions at the new employer, but it does help you find your next role and going and finding that inclusive workplace. Well, let’s just say I’m working on it. I’m working on making sure women of color STEM professionals find those inclusive workplaces. That’s why I created my tech company, because I want more of us there. I want few of us in accepting workplaces, more of us in inclusive workplace. Because at the end of the day, I don’t want you to fear. Wear your hair in a fro. So you wore a wig to your interview, I don’t want you to fear them knowing that you’re a mother of three and have a partner of the same gender. I don’t want you to fear them knowing that you may not have the money that you want in your current role, because you don’t ask them for a hell a lot more in this upcoming role they’re offering you Okay. That is everything I have today, everybody. Thank you so much for joining me. I will be back again next week for another mentor Monday. I don’t know which. Tweet me if you have an idea of what you want to learn about what you want me to talk about. I love taking requests. And until then, everybody have a great week.

Hello, hello. Hello, everybody. It is mentor Monday. This is Michele Heyward. Thank you all so much for joining me today. I want to get into talking about allies in the workplace, yes, allies in the workplace that they should look for when it comes to characteristics. For an ally in your workplace. Let me move this mic just a little bit closer. So when it comes to allies in the workplace, these people may not have a lot of authority and power, but they still are there for you. So first of all, I want to go through some characteristics of an ally. Or I want to start out with one characteristic you don't want an ally to have, right first of all, if you have an ally or somebody who is always gossipy, who did you hear? I heard look at that over there. Those are generally not the people you want as an ally. Those are the people you want to stay away from. Yes. Because what happens is they will bring more drama. 

They can hurt your credibility your brand in the workplace. Okay, so you don't want anyone who's gossiping, but you do want someone who is knowledgeable in your workspace. Yes, someone who is knowledgeable, meaning they have access number one to information. So this person has access to information to other people in the organization and sometimes the industry. So when you're looking for an ally, like I said, they shouldn't be gossiping, but they have access to information that could really help you maneuver through that organization where there's your particular location, your department, maybe even The division or the corporation on a hole in that information could be new opportunities. Hey, Shelly, could be new job opportunities, new promotions, new offices that are opening up, right? Because sometimes opportunity comes in a form we did not take up opportunity will show up in a way we had not thought of. So we always like, Oh, I want this job title, the salary, this location. And sometimes it comes through via what looks like work is not dressed up real sexy. It's dressed up real dirty. It looks like confusion and mayhem, right? But it's an opportunity you may have to take or you may want to take in order to get where you want to be and that Allah has to information before the rest of the organization happens, they may get access to this information before the decision maker gets access to it. Yes, that does happen. Oftentimes admins talk and they share information before the bosses now because they support one another and making sure they're okay within organization. Now what what is next when it comes to allies? They are supportive of you. Meaning they aren't looking at backstab you they are happy when you when they are going, Oh, I see you got invited to that meeting. Huh? They're like, yes, you got invited to the meeting. Who did you sit next to? Did you meet such as? Oh, did you tell them that you know this? They are in there? Like how did it go? Well, did you do this and sometimes they are prepping you for meetings like okay, when you get there, try to Sit next to this guy pull up his profile, I pulled up his profile on LinkedIn, this is what he looked like, I screenshot the picture and send it to you try to sit next to him because he's the VP of whatever. Okay? He went to college here like they will do reconnaissance and research for you. Yes, like they support you like no other. What do you know, such as such what they're going to be here for a meeting, you should come to lunch like, they are doing things to support you getting to where you want to be. Now, remember how I mentioned that they may not have power, but they may have influence. So they may have access to the key decision makers. They may have access to people who are deciding where people within the organization get promoted to and get opportunity, but they don't make that ally doesn't make the decisions.

So imagine this. Imagine this you No, you want to go to DevOps, but right now you and it. And the only way for you to go into dev ops is if you decide to tell somebody so you tell your manager and your manage like now, you should stay where you are in network. But your manager knows and you discussed several times that you want to go into DevOps. So you tell your ally, you're like, boo, I got you though. I got you. I heard about an opportunity coming up is such a such department. I know. The guy that runs that department. I'm gonna go talk to him. That ally goes to talk to ya heard Have y'all looked at Keisha? She really, um, she's over networking, but she's only been there like three for six months. But she did DevOps for four years. Really? Yeah. You should pull up our profile right here. I'll email it to you. Right here. Let's go ahead. Yeah, pull that up. See, she would be perfect for that role. You should check her out. Thanks. I didn't know about Kesha. Well, they may not get the decision maker to bring you over to that role. Guess what the decision maker didn't even know you existed? Right, because your manager not talking about you as a manager wants you to stay where you are, and not go where you want to go. But that allies about you getting to where you want to be, and that's truly truly important. So they can bring in that influence. Now you're like, Look, Michelle, how does my ally know where I want to go? Because they listen to you. You have built a relationship of rapport and your ally, you trust your ally. So your ally listens to what you say intently. will ask you questions will help you sometimes create Action Plan. This is how you know you have an ally. And sometimes you don't realize you have an ally because you don't know what an ally is. Sometimes you don't realize you have an ally because you think in their friend, but a friend that is supportive. A friend has access to information. A friend who would influence someone who is a decision maker. If you're this person is listening to what you want when it comes to your career. And they take action for you. Yeah, ya know, some people like that. They are cheering you on. They want you to win. Right? What is her name? Is it a Isa Ray Sakuma. I'm cheering for everybody. Black They are cheering for everything that you do from the time whether they cheer for you to make it safely to work, they cheer for you to get the first parking space to the closest to the front door. They're cheering for you to get the best hot meal out of the cafeteria to cheer for you to get the best seat next to the most influential person in meeting, they're cheering for you to get a management role they cheering for you to lead that team, they're cheering for you to get a promotion, they cheer for you to get that research here for you to be relocated to someplace you really want to live. Right? They are cheering for you in so many levels. And having an ally like that is ridiculous. Because you know what, even on your bad days, you know, you have that one person and and and even when you didn't get that promotion, you didn't get that race, right. You didn't get that free location for that assignment to a city where you really want to live. They still come over to you and they'll say to you You, it's okay. It is okay. Because it's not the end of the world. They will come over and simply say, You know what? We got to come up with a new plan, revise the strategy and make it happen. All is not lost. They stay faithful to what you want. They don't even they don't give up. Hey, Jeff. So that is what I want to talk tonight. talk to you about tonight for mentor Monday. So if you don't have an ally in the workplace, I suggest you go find one. I suggest that you get one in your life, because they are truly truly phenomenal to have going on with you. I that's all I have to say. That's all I have to say. So Oh, here comes a bye
Yeah, bye bye So, who has had an ally in the workplace, somebody who is helping you get to where you want to be someone who is helping you push forward in your corporate career, and somebody who really, really, really, really wants the best for you? Because that is truly important and truly key when it comes to your career. Thanks so much for the hearts. I really do. Appreciate it. All right, no questions. Guess what? It must be Yama Silva in Turkey. Y'all are quiet tonight. But I'm gonna get out of here. Um, catch me next Monday for another mentor Monday we will be talking about another person who is part of your career team. And that person is actually your sponsor? Yes. We're going to talk about your sponsor. why it's important to have one sometimes you may No, you have one. But it is definitely definitely important that you have a sponsor. So we talked about mentors. We've talked about allies. Now we're going to talk about sponsors, and then we'll finish up the year talking about creating your own community. Yes, and a support system for you. Aren't everybody, Michele Heyward I will catch you here next time. Have a great day. Bye

Danielle has a background in Industrial and Systems Engineering with more than two decades of training, executive coaching, and most importantly real life in the trenches leadership experience. 

How did you end up in tech when you’re an industrial engineer?

I had these job experiences building applications and picked up a new skill set. I kept building until someone told me that I would be really good as a scrum master.

What software coding language do you primarily use to create the applications?

A language called FORTRAN.

How would you recommend getting a scrum master position from a QA background with a CSM certification but no Scrum experience?

No one has any idea whether you can do the job or not. Until you get there and you do it. 

So how do you win the role? 

It’s whoever is not the best person for the job because no one’s done the job, yet for you to be able to compare and contrast. If you’re a hiring manager, the person who wins the role is the person who is best able to articulate their value to the interview.

Scrum is just a framework that is designed to be the answer to uncertainty.  

Hey, everybody, and welcome to mentor Monday, I'm Michele Heyward, the mentor for women of color STEM professionals, and we are still digging in strong for our goals. Yes, we're still gonna focus on goals for the next few weeks, because many of you have realized that you have some really audacious goals, you have the desire to do so much in your career. But you're not sure where to go, where to how to really structure your goals, how to really get them up and running, much less achieved. So first of all, we talked about last week how to go through and really, really what's included in your goals, right, what's included in your goals. But what I want us to look at today is the mindset, the mindset that you have to have, in order to reach your goals, and I'm gonna share with you something, edit, share it with people in a long time, these are 5k race numbers, that I did Oh, back in between 2010 and 2012. And I had a goal at one point in time to do like 13 or 12 5k races in a year. Now, was I in the best shape, had I ever run? No, those were my goals to do multiple 5k races, do you know I achieved it, but it was simply because of my mindset, and not necessarily my physical well being. And that's what's important. That's really, really what's important is your mindset. Mind over matter really does make it make it easier, and even possible for you to achieve your goals. So number one, believing yourself. And many like Michelle, I have never done this, right down to banks that you have done, you have already achieved what many people no matter their race and gender have not done which is obtain a stem degree, right? Where you like this in your freshman engineering class and look to your left, look to your right, only one of you will be left. And when it comes to people of color, it is one out of six, not one out of three, it is one out of six, that will make it to their four year degree, you have already won, you have already accomplished so much, just by being a stem professional. And having that degree, many have not done so. So that is a huge accomplishment. That is a huge accomplishment. So that is one thing many of us have many of you have up and relocated moved away from your family, maybe you moved to a huge city, and you're from a small town, maybe you're from a huge city and moved to a small town or a smaller city. So you've both gone through cultural changes. And you are doing things differently than other people you know, in your circle. Guess what, that is an achievement You should be proud of. A lot of people refuse to move, they are afraid. They don't know what's on the other side of the interstate or the other side of the state line or the river. So it's truly truly important that you really say you know what, I did do that. I did leave. I did move on. Yes, that is a huge accomplishment. And for others of you, you are still doing great things, whether it's volunteering, it is doing voter registration, you have other accomplishments, which you're like, oh, everybody does that. No, everybody does not. You're truly doing different things. And if you don't believe me, ask them your friends, post on Twitter, post on Instagram, ask people what do they think that you've done differently and they will tell you take something your friends, they will let you know how much you have accomplished that you just figured everybody does. It's a part of what you do, and it really really isn't okay. Number two, if you can see it, you can achieve it. If you can see it, you can achieve it. I literally want you to take a pen and I'm reaching for some paper and a sheet of paper and draw what it looks like what is your goal look like? You can do it in AutoCAD. You can do it in Canva, whatever that
is. You can even do A vision board. But what does it look like when you achieve that goal? Or goals? What does it look like? Because when you can see where you want to be, it makes so much sense. If you can see it, you can achieve it. That's why they call them vision board. And people are more likely to achieve something. If their Look, if they know where they're trying to go. And they have that clear vision, you don't know what's in between where you are now. And where you want to be that destination you don't, none of that is filled in. But when you know, this is where you're supposed to be where you're trying to go, it makes it so much easier, you're less likely to give up. So literally create a vision board, take some magazines, if you're like me, you have some egg magazines, yes, in essence, you might have some ASE American scientists and engineers, whatever it is, take those magazines and cut them up. And really make it maybe the cover of a book because you want to write the next book and be featured in the book, whatever it is, take that and make it real. a glue stick of glue is really cheap. You could also do the same thing on a Pinterest board. So we talked about Pinterest. We're talking about physically putting together a vision board. You can also do Canva or something like AutoCAD to really draw them together. Yes, pull them together. Yes. So when you have that vision, if you can see it, you can achieve it. Number three, fear does it make you stop? I do not believe people are fearless. I do not believe people are fearless. This is what I believe. I believe your dreams. You your dreams are truly a goal with a deadline or a date, write a due date are greater than your fears. Your Dreams are greater than your fears. And what what this means to me what I've come up with when your fears are greater than your dreams, you will do one or two things, you will keep walking or your run like hell. When your fear is greater than your dreams, you want to stand like hell. And you're gonna be really, really, really, really mad and hating on other people which goes into a bonus. So your fear like Michelle Well, how do I overcome the fear? How badly do you want it? How badly do you continue to, to dream about this and look at that vision board and look at that Pinterest board and go I really, really want this. But I'm afraid when that dream becomes greater than that fear, guess what, you will still be scared. But guess what, you still want to do it. Think about all the things you did when you were scared. All the things you shouldn't have been doing and you did them anyway. And you were scared. This is something that you really, really want. And you're afraid you're scared. Do it anyway. What is the worst that can happen? And sometimes that's what you have to do. You have to write down what is the worst thing that can happen in order for you to manage the fear, what is the worst thing that will happen? So I one of my friends went skydiving, he knew not heat, he texts me when he was about to go. Because he knew I was not the person to tell he was about to go skydiving. Because I would have come up with 5011 reasons like you're gonna jump out of a perfectly good plane. So that's not you don't call me when you go skydiving. But you have to write down and literally write down next to that vision that you created. What is the worst that could happen? What are the fears that you have about achieving that? And next to that write down? How do you overcome those fears or obstacles that you have? Because that fear is truly an obstacle. So how do you minimize it so that you can continue to reach that dream? Right? You can you can achieve that goal. That's what I like. Yes, I manage my fear that way I write the worst that could happen. Yes. And people don't realize writing it down is like well that's it that's all that's the worst is all I can do this. Because after you realize what's the worst that's gonna happen. You get over it, you deal with it and you move on. It is quiet. All right. Okay. Now, what do we have next? What do we have next? This is something that I got from Grant Cardone. And if you don't know Grant Cardone that is quiet. Okay. He had a post somebody posted on Instagram.
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probably about a month. month ago, something that grant had in relation to haters aren't haters, they're really quitters. So what does that mean haters are really quitters. So what according to Grant Cardone people who are hating on you aren't really hating, they gave up, they could have been better at you better than you. They could have kept, if it had they kept going, they would have done it better than you. But you know what they did, they stopped. And because they stopped, guess what? They looking at you and you kept going, you kept going. And that is truly, truly important. So you're going to have people that are going to talk negative to you, that are gonna say negative things behind your back. But you know what happened, they gave up, you didn't end because you kept going, you persevere, you're going to win. So the end of the day, don't worry about the haters who are really quitters. Because you got this, and it's really, really important that you know this, and you don't let those people stop you from going from where you want them to be, where you want to be. So Shelly elder, who else came in here, Stevie, Heather, thank you, ladies for joining me, what I really, really want to remind all of you when it comes to your goals or anything in life, your mindset, your belief that you can do it has to be greater than you realize. It truly truly does. It cannot be it cannot be only focus on, on what you think you can do. What you feel you can do, what others tell you you can do. It has to be centered, or what you believe you can do. And then some, because sometimes we set smaller limits because we feel safe with this dream. But we know our reality, our dream is so far out, right? Is this far out. And we're like, I don't know if I can do that. But if I do this, I'll feel okay. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't play it safe. Do the uncomfortable work, do the uncomfortable work. Because at the end of the day, what you're going to find out is you will feel so much better about yourself for not having given up for not having stopped when you get sick and you're tired, sit down, take a rest. It is okay but continue to get back up. So here are the things you need to know about your mindset. Number one, believe in yourself because you truly can do it. Number two, if you can see it, you can achieve it. So make that visual of what it looks like when you're on the other side when you have achieved that goal. Number three, fear doesn't make you stop. Not that your fear list. This is your dreams. Your Goals are greater than your fear and quitters were quitters? What are haters, haters are really quitters and they just looking at you like you never stopped you never gave up. And it's truly important that you do not give up on your goals. Alright everybody, I'm Michele Heyward mentor to other women of color STEM professionals so that you can go further in your career because your career is extremely important not only to you, but to those around you whom you inspire. I'll talk to you next week for another mentor Monday.

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