This time an interview with Marjan Minnesma the director of Urgenda. The organization achieved international fame after taking the Dutch government to court and winning. The first case in 2015 was a landmark ruling with the court saying the government had a duty of care to tackle climate change an take it seriously. A reduction of 25% CO2 emissions by 2020 was the minimum requirement the court ruled.

The government appealed and lost - the next court ruled, in 2018, it was also a human rights issue and the 25% reduction by 2020 stands. Now the government is scrambling to see what it can do to meet the target.

A fascinating interview with Marjan Minnesma on the gap between perception and reality when it comes to the Netherlands and its environmental record.

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