This week Carter and Nathan read Donella Meadows’ Thinking in Systems. A foundational primer on systems thinking, the book explores how stocks, flows, feedback loops, and leverage points shape everything from ecosystems to organizations. Join them as they discuss how systems thinking applies to software engineering, the hidden structures behind burnout and tech debt, and how to make high-leverage changes in complex systems.

-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --

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Thinking in Systems by Donella H. Meadows

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Tidy First?: A Personal Exercise in Empirical Software Design by Kent Beck

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Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code by Martin Fowler

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Fundamentals of Software Architecture: An Engineering Approach by Mark Richards and Neal Ford

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One Nation Under Blackmail, Vol. 1: The Sordid Union Between Intelligence and Crime that Gave Rise to Jeffrey Epstein by Whitney Alyse Webb

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Slow Productivity: The Lost Art of Accomplishment Without Burnout by Cal Newport

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The Software Engineer's Guidebook: Navigating Senior, Tech Lead, and Staff Engineer Positions at Tech Companies and Startups by Gergely Orosz

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What Is ChatGPT Doing ... and Why Does It Work? by Stephen Wolfram

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00:00 Intro

01:41 About the Book

03:43 Thoughts on the Book

08:07 Covering the Foundations and Defining Terms

16:36 Feedback loops

22:31 Overconfidence and why models lead us astray.

35:56 Paradigms and Framing

49:30 Leverage Points

01:02:04 Final Thoughts

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