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🎙️ A Conversation on Healing, Service & the Power of the Trail
Just in time for Veterans Day, Chappy joins us — Program Director for the Veterans Engagement and Trail Stewardship Program with the Arizona Trail Association. After years working outreach for REI, Chappy stepped into the role during a difficult stretch post-pandemic, and has since built the program into something he calls "mission therapy," giving veterans purpose through hands-on trail maintenance and stewardship rather than recreation alone.
Chappy talks through the meaning behind carrying the American flag in honor of fallen brothers and sisters in arms, a powerful moment speaking alongside young Marine Vine Bahe at Window Rock on the Navajo Nation, and his favorite stretch of the 800-mile Arizona Trail, the aptly-named Wilderness of Rocks on Mount Lemmon. We also get into Operation Freedom March — a statewide effort running through July 2026 to celebrate America's 250th birthday while getting veterans out on the trail — his philosophy that "the trail may not always give you what you want, but it always gives you what you need," and a full round of season "this or that" questions, including some new backpacking-specific ones.
A powerful conversation about healing, service, and hope — and how much the trail truly gives back.
Learn more about the AZT Vets Program and support Operation Freedom March, a statewide effort running through July 2026 to honor America’s 250th birthday and empower veterans through the outdoors. Check out the episode links below to get involved, hike a segment, or donate.
Episode Links:
Chappy on Instagram
Arizona Trail Association - Vets Program on Instagram
Arizona Trail Association VETS Program Website
Operation Freedom March - Learn More
This episode was Produced by Jordyn Smith, follow her on Instagram @jordyn.journeys
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