09.05.25 Pt 1 - Gareth Cliff and Ben Karpinski weigh in on the election of the new Pope and why preserving tradition still holds value in a fast-changing world. They also unpack the controversy around Julius Malema being denied entry into the UK, and what it says about South Africa's global standing and political self-respect. Plus, in an era where media is everywhere and on every device, they tackle the increasingly blurry line between public interest and personal privacy The Real Network