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In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips is joined by horsewoman and author Leslie Desmond for a wide-ranging conversation about the evolution of horsemanship. Together they reflect on the major eras that have shaped how humans train and understand horses, exploring what those traditions got right, where their insights remain valuable, and where new knowledge invites revision. The discussion moves from the vaquero and ranch traditions through modern horsemanship movements, and into the responsibilities facing today’s horse people. Leslie and Lockie explore what the next generation may need to contribute if horsemanship is to continue evolving in ways that honor both the horse and the relationship. A thoughtful, forward-looking conversation about lineage, learning, and the future of horse culture.

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A low-cost, high-value, flexible membership for horse people who want more than quick fixes and louder answers.

Inside, you’ll find a growing video library, a thoughtful off–social media discussion space, and live coaching calls with Lockie, all designed to help you get to the heart of what’s really happening in your horsemanship.

This is not about following a method.
 It’s about building clarity, skill, and conf

The EH School is a quiet place in a loud industry.

A low-cost, high-value membership where horse people come to slow down, think clearly, and build real skill with horses at the centre.

With a deep video library, an off-social discussion space, and live calls with Lockie, you’ll have support that feels steady, practical, and refreshingly human.

Not a system to obey.
 A craft to practice.

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