In this deeply moving and long‑awaited reunion episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson is joined by Tulga Otgonbaatar — the Mongolian guide, cultural bridge, and quiet catalyst behind the original Horse Boy journey.

Nearly twenty years after Rupert, his autistic son Rowan, and Tulga traveled together across Mongolia to meet shamans, reindeer herders, and the vast living intelligence of the steppe, the two sit down to reflect on what that journey set in motion — not only for Rowan and their families, but for Mongolia itself.

This conversation weaves together memory, history, spirituality, ecology, and lived experience. Tulga shares how a “city boy” became devoted to bringing people back into relationship with nature; how Mongolian kindness, patience, and forgiveness are forged through climate, culture, and Buddhism; and how shamanism survived Soviet suppression to remain a living healing practice today.

Together, Rupert and Tulga revisit moments never fully told before — ceremonies where electronics failed, spirits tested intentions, vodka multiplied mysteriously, and healing unfolded in its own time. They explore the difference between cure and healing, the role of nature in regulating the human nervous system, and how autism came to be understood and accepted in Mongolia following the Horse Boy book and film.

The episode closes with a powerful look forward: a possible 20‑year anniversary return to Mongolia — fathers and sons reunited — guided once again by the land, the spirits, and the people who made it all possible.

✨ “Healing isn’t about removing who someone is. It’s about relieving suffering so their gifts can emerge.” – Rupert Isaacson 
✨ “Nature teaches patience. The land itself makes people kinder.” – Tulga Otgonbaatar

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Tulga’s path from English student to nomadic guide led him to found a life around nature and cultural preservation ([00:04:57])
• Why Mongolian culture carries deep kindness, patience, and forgiveness — and how climate and nomadic life shape the nervous system ([00:11:32])
• How Mongolia transformed from a warrior empire to a Buddhist, peace‑centered society in just a few generations ([00:15:54])
• How Mongolia’s ecosystem — people included — represents a living model of human‑nature balance ([00:33:00])
• The survival of shamanism through Soviet suppression — and why it remains effective today ([00:49:54])
• How autism became widely understood and accepted in Mongolia after the Horse Boy film aired nationally ([00:53:57])
• The difference between healing and cure in autism and trauma work ([01:04:03])
• Why patience, rhythm, and long journeys are essential parts of healing ([01:48:59])
• What Rowan’s life looks like today — independence, work, travel, and purpose ([01:52:00])
• Behind‑the‑scenes stories from the original Horse Boy journey never shared publicly before ([02:03:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Tulga recalls the moment Rowan made his very first friend — his son Tomo — during a shamanic ceremony ([00:56:00])
• Tulga explains the spirits of mountains, rivers, and land — and what happens when humans forget respect ([01:12:00])
• A non‑verbal autistic child speaks his first words — “Mom, I love you” — after a Mongolian journey ([01:33:15])
• Rupert reflects on why people with autism often carry profound emotional intelligence and healing presence ([01:59:00])
• The ceremony where filming equipment mysteriously shut down — exactly as foretold ([02:03:31])
• A Mongolian shaman tests Tulga with a bottle of vodka that refuses to run out ([02:12:00])

📚 Books, Projects & Traditions Mentioned:

The Horse Boy – book & documentary: https://ntls.co/books

Mongolian shamanism & reindeer‑herder healing traditions

Movement Method & Horse Boy Method: https://ntls.co

Nomadic Trails (Mongolia): https://nomadictrails.com/

Takhin – the revered Mongolian wild horse

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✨ "You’re not stuck. You just haven’t talked to the right mentor yet." – Jason Barrett
✨ "If you find a purpose—and the courage to follow it—you’ll surprise yourself every time." – Jason Barrett
What happens when a 12‑year‑old kid walks into a summer camp for people with profound disabilities—and never really leaves? Performer, father, and nonprofit co‑founder Jason Barrett joins Rupert Isaacson for a funny, vulnerable, and deeply inspiring conversation about service, special needs, faith, horses, circus arts, and what it really takes to build a life around purpose.

From his first summer at Camp Smile at age 12—changing diapers, pushing wheelchairs, and learning forgiveness from the people he was supposed to be "helping"—to running Ali’s School of Equestrian Arts and the touring troupe Equestrian Chaos, Jason has spent his life saying yes to hard things. Along the way he walked through Southern Baptist culture, Jehovah’s Witness ministry, corporate retail, massage therapy school, and a Dolly Parton equestrian dinner show… before hitching his future to a pregnant trick rider, two horses, and $1300 in a Honda Element.

In this episode, Jason and Rupert explore how mentorship, community, and rhythm (both equine and human) can change a life; why therapeutic riding often gets the economics and excitement wrong; and how a tiny backyard fundraiser became one of the most badass horse shows in the U.S.—all while centering neurodivergent and disabled riders.

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• What Jason learned about gratitude, privilege, and perspective from disabled adults in diapers and wheelchairs ([00:03:00])
• Jason’s journey through Southern Baptist culture and Jehovah’s Witness ministry—and why he ultimately walked away from organized religion ([00:04:00])
• How Camp Smile and a brave youth pastor pulled 12‑year‑old Jason into the world of special needs ([00:04:18])
• Why teen volunteers are a “sweet spot” for mentorship—and how the right community can change a kid’s entire trajectory ([00:06:33])
• How neurodivergent campers taught him forgiveness, intention, and how to really see the person behind the behavior ([00:08:46])
• How leaving the corporate retail world led him toward hands‑on work, massage therapy, and back into direct service ([00:32:04])
• The love story: meeting Sise at Dolly Parton’s equestrian dinner show, an unexpected pregnancy, and starting over in Alabama with two horses and $1300 ([00:36:15])
• How Ali’s School of Equestrian Arts began at Camp Smile—and what Jason and Sise had to learn the hard way about the economics of therapeutic riding ([00:40:00])
• Jason’s 3‑part formula for getting unstuck: find purpose, seek mentors, and stop rehearsing your problems on loop ([00:43:30])
• Why Equestrian Chaos was born as a backyard fundraiser—and how COVID nearly killed the program before the show saved everything ([00:53:22])
• Why boredom is dangerous for both horses and riders—and how performance goals keep everyone mentally alive ([00:59:35])
• How they safely integrate autistic and brain‑injured riders into high‑level circus acts (including standing on galloping horses) through tiny steps, rhythm, and obsession‑based motivation ([01:05:37])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert’s provocative question about the Southern Baptist Church and slavery—and Jason’s honest answer about separating individuals from institutions. ([00:04:00])
• Jason’s first day at Camp Smile: a 12‑year‑old kid, a 49‑year‑old nonverbal camper, a restless lunch line—and the realization that “most of us don’t really have problems.” ([00:05:37])
• The autistic boy who ended up standing in full Hippodrome position on a running horse after months of micro‑steps (and hot Cheetos). ([00:05:37])
• Learning forgiveness from the special needs community: “You get a second chance without a slap in the face—because the relationship matters more than the mistake.” ([00:08:46])
• Jason knocking on doors as a young Jehovah’s Witness, learning public speaking and resilience from the world’s hardest audience. ([00:27:27])
• Selling everything, loading two horses into a $900 trailer, and driving home with Sise and $1300 to start a new life in Mobile. ([00:36:15])
• Realizing they were losing money running camp programs with 15–20 horses and 100 riders a week for $3000—"our budgeting was make‑believe in the real world." ([00:40:00])
• Jason’s closing counsel on spirituality and purpose: find a purpose, talk to people who’ve found theirs, and stop replaying the same painful story in your head. ([00:43:30])
• COVID hits: programs shut down, savings run out, and Equestrian Chaos (the show) becomes the only way to keep the herd—and the mission—alive. ([00:53:22])
• A 70‑year‑old woman in tears at the rail: “You just put my 70‑year dream on display. I was the first woman to compete in mounted archery when they didn’t want us to ride.” ([01:06:39])

📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

• Equestrian Chaos – touring equestrian circus & mounted archery show 
• Celisse’s School of Equestrian Arts – therapeutic riding & performance‑based horsemanship 
• Camp Smile – the special needs summer camp where it all began 
• New Trails Learning Systems – Movement Method & Horse Boy Method 
• Helios Harmony – classical dressage training in the style of the old masters Website: https://equestrianchaos.com

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✨ “Sometimes we just need to be—without the pressure of doing more.” – Dr. Kate Lund

✨ “Movement and nature help us return to ourselves when the world feels too loud.” – Dr. Kate Lund

What does resilience really look like when life pulls the rug out from under you—again and again? Clinical psychologist, author, and resilience expert Dr. Kate Lund joins Rupert Isaacson for an intimate and powerful conversation about childhood illness, brain surgery, parenting, pressure, movement, nature, and how we find our way back to possibility.

Diagnosed with hydrocephalus at age four, Kate spent much of her childhood in and out of hospitals—big surgeries, big fears, and big recoveries. Yet she grew into someone who not only rebuilt her life, but teaches others how to reclaim theirs. Today, she specializes in resilient parenting, stress regulation, and helping families thrive inside their own unique context.

In this episode, Rupert and Kate explore how movement (from walking to tennis to long‑distance cycling), intentional rest, nature, visualization, and even animal‑assisted therapy shape our emotional survival. They break down why slowing down is often the hardest thing for parents, why we forget what joy feels like, and why resilience is less about bouncing back and more about building forward—one small step at a time.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How childhood illness shaped Kate’s lifelong understanding of resilience ([00:04:00])
• What hydrocephalus is—and how shunts, surgeries, and uncertainty affect a child’s identity ([00:06:00])
• The role of movement (tennis, walking, cycling) in recovering brain function and emotional balance ([00:23:00])
• Why parents must learn to regulate their own stress before they can help their children ([00:31:00])
• How the “Relaxation Response” technique works (and why it’s simpler than mindfulness) ([00:34:00])
• Using visualization and nature—real or imagined—to calm the nervous system ([00:50:00])
• The surprising power of animal‑assisted therapy (and Wally the therapy dog) ([00:53:00])
• Why slowing down is the #1 barrier to resilience—and how to begin ([01:14:00])
• How parents with different approaches can communicate and find middle ground ([01:16:00])
• Small daily practices to build a resilient life (movement, joy, reflection) ([01:26:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• “I wasn’t the carefree child—I was always calculating risk. But I could still find what I could do.” ([00:11:00])
• Kate walking the circular driveway over and over while recovering from brain surgery—movement as survival. ([00:29:00])
• Rupert trying the Relaxation Response in real time—with the word “horses.” ([00:36:00])
• “Animals always show up. They teach us how to show up too.” ([00:59:00])
• The child in the hospital hallway who walked for the first time in weeks—just to reach Wally the therapy dog. ([00:55:00])
• When crisis hits: why sometimes the bravest act is simply allowing yourself to stop.” ([01:06:00])
• “We can get so used to living in suboptimal states that we forget there’s more available.” ([01:15:00])
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📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

Step Away: The Keys to Resilient Parenting – Dr. Kate Lund

The Relaxation Response – Herbert Benson (background method referenced)

The Optimized Mind Podcast – Hosted by Dr. Kate Lund

Website: https://katelundspeaks.com

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From cryptids to hickory trees, raccoons, and the hidden balance of the natural world, writer and poet Jarod Anderson invites us into his world of imagination, healing, and belonging. In this deep and reflective conversation, Rupert Isaacson explores Jarod’s journey through depression, his rediscovery of nature, and how storytelling can transform pain into wonder. Together they uncover how imagination acts as a bridge back to the wild world—even when we’re confined by screens or cities—and how the stories we tell can become medicine for our own minds. Known for his podcast The CryptoNaturalist and his books Something in the Woods Loves You and Strange Animals (Ballantine Books, 2025), Jarod shares how his creative process, humor, and reverence for the strange help turn despair into curiosity and isolation into connection. This episode is a meditation on what happens when poetry meets survival, when darkness meets awe, and when we finally remember that nature has never stopped loving us.

✨ “We are more weather pattern than stone monument.” – Jarod Anderson

✨ “If you reach for wonder and come at it as a student, you’ll find it reaching back.” – Jarod Anderson

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How imagination and storytelling can help heal depression ([00:02:00])
• Reconnecting with nature after burnout and shame ([00:10:00])
• The origin story of The CryptoNaturalist podcast ([00:13:00])
• How cryptids mirror the human psyche and our need for balance ([00:16:00])
• The mythic guardians of Earth: from the Orbital Kingfisher to the Horned Wolf ([00:17:00])
• Finding healing through writing and mental health openness ([00:28:00])
• What inspired Something in the Woods Loves You ([00:29:00])
• Touching the Hickory Tree: how presence dissolves shame ([00:35:00])
• Lessons from the raccoon and the power of unpretty survival ([01:06:00])
• Shame, nature, and the cyclical nature of healing ([01:10:00])
• The role of stories, context, and compassion in healing ([01:27:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• A teacher reading Mary Oliver poetry to 10-year-old Jarod in the woods ([00:02:00])
• The kitchen accident that led to rediscovering creativity through nature ([00:10:30])
• Creating The CryptoNaturalist: “a love letter to nature where everything is invented” ([00:14:00])
• The metaphor of depression as brain weather—no shame, just different skies ([00:45:00])
• The raccoon as a teacher of stubbornness and survival ([01:06:00])
• “Who says survival has to be pretty?” ([01:07:00])
• A squirrel revived by touch and returned to the grass—context as healing ([01:25:00])
• “If you reach for wonder and come at it as a student, you’ll find it reaching back.” ([01:51:00])

📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

•  Jarod Anderson 
  • Something in the Woods Loves You (Timber Press) https://amzn.to/443Uao1 –
  • Strange Animals (Ballantine Books, Feb 2025) https://amzn.to/47znvsL –
  • Haunted Forest Trilogy (3 books) https://amzn.to/3Lwah7C 
  • The CryptoNaturalist Podcast –  https://www.cryptonaturalist.com/  
  • https://www.jarodkanderson.com
  • https://www.facebook.com/Cryptonaturalist/ 
  • https://www.instagram.com/cryptonaturalist/ 

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In this deeply moving episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson welcomes Henrich Berkhoff, farmer, father, politician, and founder of child-protection and education initiatives in Germany.

From facing a devastating prenatal diagnosis to creating one of Germany’s first Green Care Farms, Henrich shares how his son’s birth with spina bifida transformed his family’s life—igniting a mission to integrate nature, farming, and inclusion into education and policy.

A lifelong advocate for children’s rights and special education, Henrich speaks about building community (“the tribe comes to you”), turning crisis into growth, and working with government leaders to make nature-based learning and therapy part of the public system.

✨ “We can do more with our human power than we ever think.” – Henrich Berkhoff
✨ “If you follow your feeling, you stay outside.” – Henrich Berkhoff

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Henrich’s son’s diagnosis reshaped his life and purpose ([00:08:00])
• The choice between termination and life—and what love decided ([00:10:00])
• How crisis builds community: “the tribe comes to you” ([00:24:00])
• Turning disability into advocacy for inclusive schools ([00:31:00])
• Why farming taught him political courage ([00:41:00])
• How ancient instincts meet modern overload ([00:48:00])
• Rewilding and the role of agriculture in healing ([01:00:00])
• How Green Care Farms connect nature, therapy, and education ([01:03:00])
• Why nature is medicine for the mind ([01:11:00])
• Gratitude to the special-needs children who teach us meaning ([01:37:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• [00:01:00] Henrich appears from the forest, explaining why he always feels at home in nature.
• [00:08:00] The moment he and his wife learn their unborn son has spina bifida.
• [00:10:55] Choosing life despite medical advice to terminate.
• [00:23:50] How community formed around their decision.
• [00:31:10] Creating the first inclusive local school for children with disabilities.
• [00:41:00] Why being a farmer trains you to be an advocate.
• [00:46:00] How hunting sharpened his sense of responsibility and balance with nature.
• [01:03:00] Founding the Green Care Farm and discovering science behind happiness in nature.
• [01:20:00] Reframing education: movement = learning.
• [01:37:20] “Disabled people give us the answers to our questions.”

📚 Projects, Programs & People Mentioned:

• Henrich Berkhoff – Farmer, politician, and founder of the Child Protection Association (Münster region, Germany) https://greencarefarm.de
• Gitti Berkhoff – Nurse, equine-therapist, and co-founder of the Green Care Farm - Podcast on Equine Assisted World with Rupert: https://equineassistedworld.com 
• Julian Berkhoff – Their son, born with spina bifida and hydrocephalus
• Movement Method and Horse Boy Method – Developed by Rupert Isaacson & NTLS
• Green Care Farm – Integrating therapy, inclusion, and sustainable farming https://greencarefarm.de
• David Doyle – Irish autism advocate and movement-in-nature pioneer
• CDU (Christian Democratic Union) – German political party
• Technical University of Munich (TUM) – Research on learning through movement
• Concepts: Rewilding | Inclusion | Nature as Medicine | Education Reform | Community Healing

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📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books
• Henrich & Gitti Berkhoff – Green Care Farm Germany
• NTLS Programs – Movement Method | Horse Boy Method | Takhin Equine Integration

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In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson sits down with scientist, journalist, and bestselling author Dr. Jo Marchant (PhD in Genetics and Medical Microbiology) to explore the intersections between science, spirituality, and the human experience. From the placebo effect to consciousness, awe, and the nature of time itself, Jo unpacks her groundbreaking books Cure, The Human Cosmos, and her forthcoming In Search of Now. Together they examine what it means to live curiously, think freely, and rediscover wonder in a rational age.

✨ “Science is asking questions of nature and listening to the answers.” – Jo Marchant
✨ “If you are not curious, you are shrinking and dying.” – Jo Marchant

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Jo’s background in microbiology led to science writing ([00:02:45])
• What the placebo effect teaches about mind-body connection ([00:10:40])
• How empathy and belief influence healing ([00:16:22])
• Insights from Cure and the science of care ([00:21:05])
• Why humanity lost its connection to the sky (The Human Cosmos) ([00:37:10])
• How awe functions as a biological and healing state ([00:47:18])
• Exploring time and consciousness in In Search of Now ([01:03:09])
• How presence and attention shape perception ([01:09:55])
• Reflections on AI, creativity, and what defines being human ([01:42:50])
• Closing thoughts on curiosity, humility, and wonder ([02:18:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• [00:00:00] Rupert introduces Jo and sets the tone for exploring science and wonder.
• [00:02:45] Jo shares how her PhD path evolved into science writing.
• [00:10:40] The placebo effect and its implications for healing.
• [00:21:05] How storytelling reveals science’s human dimension.
• [00:37:10] Rediscovering ancient wisdom through The Human Cosmos.
• [00:47:18] Awe and wonder as measurable biological phenomena.
• [01:03:09] Searching for presence and time in In Search of Now.
• [01:17:31] Where science meets spirituality and meaning.
• [01:42:50] Jo reflects on AI, creativity, and human identity.
• [02:18:00] Final reflections on curiosity, love, and the science of wonder.

📚 Projects, Writings & Ideas Mentioned:

• Dr. Jo Marchant, PhD – Science journalist and author
• Cure: A Journey into the Science of Mind Over Body https://amzn.to/3WrtVUm
• The Human Cosmos: Civilization and the Stars  https://amzn.to/4nBeXHf
• In Search of Now (2025 release)
• Decoding the Heavens: A 2,000-Year-Old Computer -- and the Century-Long Search to Discover Its Secret https://amzn.to/437Y3YB
• Podcast: Where the Wild Thoughts Are
• Website: https://jomarchant.com
• Researchers mentioned: Dr. Ted Kaptchuk (Harvard), Manfred Schedlowski, Dan Moerman
• Concepts discussed: The placebo effect, awe, consciousness, free will, time perception, quantum perspectives

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📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books
• Jo Marchant – Cure, The Human Cosmos, In Search of Now

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Once nonverbal, Lina Hjalmarsson-Lyons now communicates through a letter board and her own writing—sharing profound insights into love, autism, and the human spirit. In this extraordinary episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson sits down with long-time friend Helena Hjalmarsson and her daughter Lina to explore the paradox of autism, poetry born from struggle, and what it means to align with our planet and each other. Their conversation moves from the excruciating journey of learning to spell, to navigating health challenges, to Lina’s vision of compassion as the cornerstone of society.

✨ “In learning how to spell, I set high on a cloud.” – Lina Hjalmarsson-Lyons

✨ “I see autism as the most profound inspiration that has ever existed. It is also the most profound challenge.” – Lina Hjalmarsson

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Lina moved from nonverbal to verbal communication through a letter board ([00:05:00])
• Why autism can be both profound inspiration and profound challenge ([00:29:30])
• Insights from Lina’s original poetry on love, suffering, and joy ([00:20:00])
• How Helena and Lina navigate mycoplasma, OCD, and anxiety ([00:46:00])
• Why expressing raw emotions can bring healing and resilience ([00:40:00])
• What autistic voices can teach neurotypical people about universal love ([00:35:00])
• Lina’s vision for compassionate leadership in her presidential essay ([00:58:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert introduces the episode and its unprecedented nature ([00:00:00])
• Lina shares her purpose: to spread love on this planet ([00:13:00])
• Helena reads Lina’s poem A Love Meaning to Burst ([00:20:00])
• Lina’s untitled poem about holding herself out of a hole ([00:22:00])
• Lina’s poems Incisions and Soaring on suffering and transformation ([00:27:00])
• Helena discusses mycoplasma, Lyme, and OCD in autism ([00:46:00])
• Lina’s presidential essay: why compassion should guide America ([00:58:00])
• Closing reflections – the need for autistic mentorship ([01:00:00])

📚 Projects, Writings, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Lina Hjalmarsson-Lyons – Poet, student, and autism advocate
• Helena Hjalmarsson – Autism parent and advocate
• Dr. Temple Grandin – Autism pioneer and mentor
• Mary Coyle – Homeotoxicologist
• Dr. Engles – Naturopath specializing in autism and Lyme disease

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📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books

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From hitchhiking to California with $35 in her pocket, to becoming a Stanford professor, medical doctor, and pioneer in equine-assisted programs, Dr. Beverley Kane’s story is one of resilience, curiosity, and transformation. In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson sits down with Dr. Kane to trace her journey through medicine, sports science, corporate Silicon Valley, parapsychology, and ultimately to horses—where she bridges science and spirituality.

Beverley shares how her early activism during the Vietnam War led her into medicine, what she learned working in preventive health and AI at Apple and WebMD, and why a kitchen accident opened the door to horses, play, and somatic healing. Today she teaches Qigong with horses at Stanford, guiding students and professionals into deeper connection, stress relief, and self-regulation through equanimity.

✨ “Quantum physics is the physics of love and entanglement is about connection.” – Dr. Beverley Kane

✨ “When I found therapeutic riding, for the first time it was just playful to be on horses.” – Dr. Beverley Kane

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Hitchhiking to California with $35 and starting anew ([00:01:00])
• Dropping out of Columbia, activism, and rediscovering medicine ([00:03:00])
• Medical training at UCSF and mentorship from Nobel Prize winner Michael Bishop ([00:05:00])
• Practicing medicine in Alaska and discovering sports medicine ([00:07:00])
• Stanford preventive medicine research and corporate health at Apple ([00:12:00])
• Stories from Apple’s Great American Smokeout and early AI projects ([00:16:00])
• Moving into WebMD and the rise (and bust) of Silicon Valley dot-com culture ([00:21:00])
• Discovering horses at age 52 after an accident and entering therapeutic riding ([00:27:00])
• Finding joy and play with horses through therapeutic riding ([00:34:00])
• Bringing Medicine & Horsemanship programs to Stanford ([00:43:00])
• Teaching Qigong with horses and the Equanimity program ([00:50:00])
• Quantum physics, parapsychology, and the science of consciousness ([01:10:00])
• Why entanglement points toward love, connection, and healing ([01:42:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Getting sick upon arriving in Berkeley and repaying kindness at the Free Clinic ([00:02:00])
• Lessons from Nobel Prize winner Michael Bishop on scientific breakthroughs ([00:09:00])
• Transitioning from sports medicine to preventive health research at Stanford ([00:12:00])
• A story of helping an Apple employee quit smoking to transition safely ([00:16:00])
• The kitchen accident that shifted her horsemanship to play and healing ([00:31:00])
• Dreaming of red mustangs in the desert and discovering equine-assisted learning ([00:40:00])
• Establishing equine-assisted electives for Stanford medical students ([00:47:00])
• Teaching Qigong forms with horses for stress reduction and emotional release ([00:56:00])
• Exploring quantum entanglement, ESP, and the philosophy of science ([01:26:00])
• Calling quantum physics “the physics of love” ([01:42:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:
Dr. Beverley Kane – Equine-imity: Stress Reduction and Emotional Self-Regulation in the Company of Horses https://amzn.to/4nqsAJ9

The Manual of Medicine and Horsemanship - https://amzn.to/4nq2ENK

• Dr. Beverley Kane – Adjunct Clinical Professor at Stanford, author of Equanimity and manuals on Medicine & Horsemanship
• Michael Bishop – Nobel Prize-winning biochemist
• Barbara Rector – Equine-assisted learning pioneer
• Alan Hamilton – Neurosurgeon and founder of Medicine & Horsemanship
• Quantum physicist Amit Goswami – The Self-Aware Universe
• Rupert Sheldrake – Theories of morphic resonance
• Russell Targ & Hal Puthoff – Parapsychology and remote viewing research

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 From the rugby fields of London to the Merchant Navy, Special Forces, skydiving, aviation, and entrepreneurship—Paul Illingworth’s life has been defined by risk, resilience, and relentless drive. In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson sits down with Paul to trace a journey that spans fear, family, and the search for tribe.

Paul shares how being bullied as a child forged his fighter’s spirit, how rugby and the Navy honed his leadership, and why fear should never be allowed to rule your life. From building successful businesses—including skydiving operations and escape rooms—to exploring how community can heal a generation lost in gaming, Paul offers raw insights into courage, discipline, and finding purpose.

✨ “Fear is something you build up inside you. Push it aside—and deal with life.” – Paul Illingworth

✨ “It always comes back to tribe. Whatever your tribe is, find it and commit to it.” – Paul Illingworth

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How a childhood accident and bullying sparked resilience ([00:07:00])
• The lessons rugby taught about teamwork, leadership, and belonging ([00:19:00])
• Joining the Merchant Navy and confronting storms at sea ([00:29:00])
• Why fear must be faced head-on rather than avoided ([00:47:00])
• The leap from oil rigs to aviation and skydiving ([00:58:00])
• Lessons from flight school and pushing limits in the air ([01:00:00])
• Navigating life-and-death moments and mastering discipline ([01:06:00])
• The importance of camaraderie in high-risk environments ([01:10:00])
• Building a successful skydiving business from scratch ([01:20:00])
• Creating escape rooms as a new form of entrepreneurship ([01:41:00])
• Why gaming culture points to a deeper hunger for tribe ([01:45:00])
• Fatherhood, resilience, and passing strength to the next generation ([01:50:00])
• Why tribe and community remain central to a fulfilling life ([01:53:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Paul describes being bullied and deciding to fight back ([00:07:00])
• Discovering rugby as a space for belonging and leadership ([00:19:00])
• Facing storms during Merchant Navy service ([00:29:00])
• Learning to control fear through discipline ([00:47:00])
• Stories of flying and skydiving adventures ([00:58:00])
• Building and selling businesses, from skydiving to escape rooms ([01:20:00])
• Reflections on tribe, community, and resilience ([01:50:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Paul Illingworth – Entrepreneur, Navy veteran, business innovator (skydiving, escape rooms, aviation)
• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land
  https://longridehome.com/books

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In this rare solo episode of Live Free Ride Free, host Rupert Isaacson shares his own extraordinary story—tracing a path from his multicultural childhood in London to horseback adventures, indigenous rights campaigns, and the creation of groundbreaking autism and equine therapy programs. Rupert weaves together vivid life experiences: from retraining an unruly ex-racehorse as a boy, to helping the Bushmen of the Kalahari win historic land claims, to transforming his son’s autism journey through horses, nature, and movement. This is a deep dive into service, resilience, and the magic of following the call of adventure.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How a childhood nervous breakdown led Rupert to horses and nature ([00:11:00])
• Lessons from growing up between multiple cultures and identities ([00:05:00])
• The entrepreneurial path to buying his first horse at age 14 ([00:13:00])
• Adventures and dangers as a young journalist in Africa and North America ([00:34:00])
• The role of indigenous wisdom in Rupert’s life and work ([00:56:00])
• Behind-the-scenes of the Bushman land claims in South Africa and Botswana ([01:00:00])
• How his son’s autism diagnosis reshaped his mission and methods ([01:36:00])
• The creation of Horse Boy Method, Movement Method, and Takhin Equine Integration ([01:39:00])
• Why service is the key to sustaining your dreams ([01:46:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Meeting legendary wolf expert Rick McIntyre in Yellowstone and conceiving the Live Free Ride Free podcast ([00:02:00])
• Training an unmanageable ex-racehorse and discovering his calling ([00:14:00])
• Hitchhiking into the Kalahari and first encounters with Bushman healers ([00:57:00])
• Witnessing the unexpected twist that won Botswana’s largest land claim ([01:30:00])
• The life-changing advice from Dr. Temple Grandin on helping his autistic son ([01:34:00])
• The reindeer healer in Siberia who transformed Rowan’s progress ([01:42:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land https://longridehome.com/books
• Horse Boy Method, Movement Method, Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.co
• Long Ride Home - Horse Training: https://longridehome.com

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