In this episode of the Getting Smart Podcast, Nate McClennen sits down with author and education advocate Ted Dintersmith to rethink what math should look like in a changing world—especially as AI makes rote procedures less relevant. Together they unpack the limits of test-driven instruction, the consequences of low math and data literacy for civic life, and why classrooms should prioritize estimation, statistics, probability, modeling, and real-world problem solving that builds confidence and curiosity. If we want future-ready learners, math has to move from gatekeeping to empowerment.

Outline

• (00:00) Introduction & Math Education Background
• (05:52) Rote Skills vs. Relevant Math
• (11:21) Standardized Testing & NAEP Scores
• (17:10) Math Illiteracy & Real-World Consequences
• (22:57) Calculus vs. Statistics Debate
• (29:41) AI, the Future of Math Education & Takeaways

Links

• Read the full blog here
• Watch the full video here
• LinkedIn
• Ted Dintersmith Website