Lock and Code

How the FBI got everything it wanted (re-air, feat. Joseph Cox)


Listen Later

For decades, digital rights activists, technologists, and cybersecurity experts have worried about what would happen if the US government secretly broke into people’s encrypted communications.

The weird thing, though, is that it's already happened—sort of.

US intelligence agencies, including the FBI and NSA, have long sought what is called a “backdoor” into the secure and private messages that are traded through platforms like WhatsApp, Signal, and Apple’s Messages. These applications all provide what is called “end-to-end encryption,” and while the technology guarantees confidentiality for journalists, human rights activists, political dissidents, and everyday people across the world, it also, according to the US government, provides cover for criminals.

But to access any single criminal or criminal suspect’s encrypted messages would require an entire reworking of the technology itself, opening up not just one person’s communications to surveillance, but everyone’s. This longstanding struggle is commonly referred to as The Crypto Wars, and it dates back to the 1950s during the Cold War, when the US government created export control regulations to protect encryption technology from reaching outside countries.

But several years ago, the high stakes in these Crypto Wars became somewhat theoretical, as the FBI gained access to the communications and whereabouts of hundreds of suspected criminals, and they did it without “breaking” any encryption whatsover.

It all happened with the help of Anom, a budding company behind an allegedly “secure” phone that promised users a bevy of secretive technological features, like end-to-end encrypted messaging, remote data wiping, secure storage vaults, and even voice scrambling. But, unbeknownst to Anom’s users, the entire company was a front for law enforcement. On Anom phones, every message, every photo, every piece of incriminating evidence, and every order to kill someone, was collected and delivered, in full view, to the FBI.

Today, on the Lock and Code podcast with host David Ruiz, we revisit a 2024 interview with 404 Media cofounder and investigative reporter Joseph Cox about the wild, true story of Anom. How did it work, was it “legal,” where did the FBI learn to run a tech startup, and why, amidst decades of debate, are some people ignoring the one real-life example of global forces successfully installing a backdoor into a company?

The public…and law enforcement, as well, [have] had to speculate about what a backdoor in a tech product would actually look like. Well, here’s the answer. This is literally what happens when there is a backdoor, and I find it crazy that not more people are paying attention to it.

Tune in today.

You can also find us on Apple PodcastsSpotify, and whatever preferred podcast platform you use.

For all our cybersecurity coverage, visit Malwarebytes Labs at malwarebytes.com/blog.

Show notes and credits:

Intro Music: “Spellbound” by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)

Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Outro Music: “Good God” by Wowa (unminus.com)

Listen up—Malwarebytes doesn't just talk cybersecurity, we provide it.

Protect yourself from online attacks that threaten your identity, your files, your system, and your financial well-being with our exclusive offer for Malwarebytes Premium for Lock and Code listeners.

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

Lock and CodeBy Malwarebytes

  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7
  • 4.7

4.7

42 ratings


More shows like Lock and Code

View all
Freakonomics Radio by Freakonomics Radio + Stitcher

Freakonomics Radio

32,039 Listeners

WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch by Paul Gigot, The Wall Street Journal

WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch

2,836 Listeners

Security Now (Audio) by TWiT

Security Now (Audio)

2,006 Listeners

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk by Don McDonald

Talking Real Money - Investing Talk

764 Listeners

CyberWire Daily by N2K Networks

CyberWire Daily

1,023 Listeners

The Clark Howard Podcast by Clark Howard

The Clark Howard Podcast

5,453 Listeners

Click Here by Recorded Future News

Click Here

416 Listeners

Bold Names by The Wall Street Journal

Bold Names

1,453 Listeners

Hacking Humans by N2K Networks

Hacking Humans

316 Listeners

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg by All-In Podcast, LLC

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

9,927 Listeners

Cyber Security Headlines by CISO Series

Cyber Security Headlines

137 Listeners

What the Hack? by DeleteMe

What the Hack?

222 Listeners

The 404 Media Podcast by 404 Media

The 404 Media Podcast

315 Listeners

The Kim Komando Show by Kim Komando

The Kim Komando Show

157 Listeners

Decoding Retirement by Yahoo Finance

Decoding Retirement

21 Listeners