Tim Ferriss built his career on finding the sweet spot between effort and outcome. The podcaster and bestselling writer — you probably know him from The Four-Hour Workweek or The Four-Hour Chef — uses his books as opportunities to teach himself how to be a better human being, whether it’s holding his breath for 4 minutes, or searing a perfect steak. Tim stopped by the Upsell studios to chat with Helen about his relationship with fine dining, the path that led him to writing a cookbook, and how to win at dating apps.

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