What do you do when life doesn’t move at your pace? When you’re stuck in traffic, waiting on answers, or facing seasons that feel uncertain and out of your control?

In this conversation, Richard Kannwischer sits down with Clay Scroggins to talk about how to cultivate patience—not as passive waiting, but as active trust. Drawing from Clay’s own story of stepping away from a dream job without knowing what was next, they explore what it really looks like to follow God in the tension between “go” and “wait.”

Together, they unpack the deeper struggles behind impatience (control, fear, and the need to have everything figured out) and how God uses seasons of waiting to form something in us that couldn’t grow any other way.

Whether you’re waiting on a breakthrough in your marriage, your kids, your calling, or your circumstances, this episode will help you see that the waiting isn’t wasted—it’s where God does some of his deepest work.

If you’ve ever found yourself asking, “How long, God?”—this conversation is for you.