Let’s get real: hiring today is a mess. I’ve been there both as a candidate and as the interviewer who wasn’t properly trained. So, when I discovered Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates, two women who are revolutionizing the corporate interviewing landscape, I knew we had to have them on the show.

In this episode, we dive into the shocking state of interviews today - from the mundane but outdated, biased questions that are still being asked to the absolute trainwreck moments that are happening at the table. Like a hiring manager who thought it was a good idea to ask a candidate to sell a dirty old shoe, sort of a creative take on that age-old sales question, “sell me this pen.” Yeah, you’ll want to hear this story.

But it’s not all doom and gloom! Lorna and Victoria share how they transitioned from the corporate world into entrepreneurship, using their combined expertise to help businesses and hiring managers learn how to conduct effective interviews without inadvertently violating the law (yes, asking about holiday plans to try to figure out if a candidate is a parent is illegal). They’ve been able to show incredible results for their clients, underscoring how getting the interview process right brings a massive, lasting impact. They’ve been there, and they’re showing others how to do it right.

Of course, we can’t talk about interviewing without touching on ageism, something that has been a problem for both older and younger candidates. We discuss how unconscious bias shows up in interviews and how companies need to adopt a broader perspective. Spoiler alert: it’s not just about hiring people you can grab beers with.

And the best part? They share their golden rule of interviewing, and trust me, if companies started following it, it would completely shift the hiring process. It’s about respect, balance, and ensuring you’re bringing in the right person, not just the most convenient one.

Listen to the episode and let’s make the hiring process better, together. The future of work depends on it!

“If it would be weird if a candidate did it to you, don't do it to them.” 

~ Lorna Erickson (The Golden Rule of Interviewing)

In This Episode:

-Worst interview stories and candidate experiences  

-Training hiring managers to interview better  

-How Lorna and Victoria grew their online following

-Unconscious bias and ageism during an interview

-The golden rule for interviewers and the future of work

-Fixing company culture, one hire at a time  

And much more!

Resources:

-Expert Interviewers Training Services: https://expert-interviewers.mykajabi.com/training-services

Connect with Lorna Erickson and Victoria Gates:

-Website: https://expertinterviewers.com/

-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/expertinterviewers/

-TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@expertinterviewers

-Lorna Erickson LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lornaerickson/

-Victoria Gates LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/vpreston/

Connect with Maureen Clough:

-LinkedIn: maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/

-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/

-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/

-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1

-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/