Emma is joined by Douglas Hubbard and Andreas Leed to discuss their book How to Measure Anything in Project Management, also co-authored with Alexander Budzier. Be prepared for mind-expanding conversation about project management and how any aspect of it can be measured, including those things you thought might be immeasurable – and why we should all be engaged in the most important project of all: the ‘meta-project’ of understanding how to manage projects better. 

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