Human & Holy

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  • I Imagined Myself in the Sukkah | Shoshana Judelman

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    The sukkah is called the "shade of faith," but what happens when we sit inside it and feel nothing? What if we are entering Sukkos feeling more tapped into the uncertainty of life's winds, than the certainty of G-d's hug?


    Today, we explore Sukkos as a full-body experience of faith, absorbed simply by showing up to be there. Shoshana shares how she envisioned herself in the Sukkah's embrace when she was curled up inside the radiation machine for cancer treatment, and teaches the deeper Torah behind how we can carry the Sukkah's lingering touch through the inevitable joy, uncertainty, illness and hiddenness that we experience in daily life.


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    Shoshana Judelman is passionate about learning and growing through Chassidus. She is the founder of Nekaveh Lecha women’s seminary. She gives shiurim in Chassidus for women across Israel and in Midreshet Rachel V’Chaya in Jerusalem. Her shiurim can be found on Spotify and SoundCloud (Shiurim with Shoshana Judelman). Shoshana is also a guide at Yad Vashem and leads journeys to Poland and other countries for JRoots. She can be contacted at [email protected]


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    TIMESTAMPS:

    00:00 — Introduction

    01:48 — Welcome to Human & Holy

    02:24 — Why Sukkos is Shoshana’s favorite holiday

    03:25 — Entering the sukkah and reenacting the Clouds of Glory

    05:17 — How lockdown changed the way Shoshana’s family celebrates Sukkos

    06:19 — Intellectual versus embodied knowing

    08:27 — Why do we celebrate Sukkos after Yom Kippur?

    09:09 — The Golden Calf and the departure of the Clouds of Glory

    10:21 — Yom Kippur, forgiveness and returning to relationship with Hashem

    11:39 — The deeper embrace that follows rupture and repair

    13:09 — Sukkos as a bridge between Yom Kippur and ordinary life

    15:50 — A mitzvah rooted in presence rather than constant action

    16:36 — Learning to see life through the lens of Hashem’s reality

    18:00 — Building a reservoir of emunah for a random Tuesday in February

    20:11 — The storm that destroyed Shoshana’s sukkah

    22:42 — How the community rebuilt the sukkah within hours

    24:00 — What a temporary structure teaches us about uncertainty

    25:22 — The sukkah as the shelter of trust and haven of faith

    27:33 — When it feels as though the Clouds of Glory have holes

    28:02 — Life as a spiritual training ground

    30:25 — Can painful experiences really be understood as expressions of love?

    31:31 — Turning the sukkah into an “emunah gas station”

    33:19 — Receiving a breast cancer diagnosis shortly before Sukkos

    35:53 — Carrying the sukkah’s embrace into treatment

    37:11 — Did Shoshana feel Hashem’s presence during radiation?

    38:31 — The different “flavors” of Hashem in celebration and hiddenness

    39:30 — “I don’t like it, but I know that this is also You”

    40:55 — Practical ways to experience the sukkah more deeply

    41:25 — The spiritual meaning of the arba minim

    43:34 — Drawing embodied knowledge into the heart

    44:28 — Bringing Divine love into our eyes, speech, posture and emotions

    47:11 — How deeper Torah transforms our experience of a mitzvah

    48:54 — Slowing down and using imagination while shaking the lulav

    50:04 — Spending more time in the sukkah without pressuring ourselves to feel

    52:11 — Shoshana’s message: believe that you can grow and change

    53:05 — Growth is happening even when we cannot see it

    54:02 — Carrying hope into the new year

    55:00 — Closing and ways to support Human & Holy

    56 min
  • Yom Kippur: Let Yourself Be Carried | Sara Rosenstein, Rivka Fenton and Rosie Gurevitch

    A short excerpt from this week's Human & Holy pre-Yom Kippur morning in New Haven, CT. A poem, a conversation with Sara Rosenstein about returning to Hashem after years of disconnection, original music by Rivka Fenton about finding safety in leaning into God, and personal notes on being carried by God by our host, Rosie Gurevitch.


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    28 min
  • Teshuvah and the God We Think We Know | Rus Devorah Wallen

    A conversation about Teshuvah through the dual lens of clinical attachment theory and Torah sources. We explore why perfect attunement in any relationship is a myth, and how the rupture and repair cycle of Teshuvah is actually what deepens our connections, rather than threatening it. Rus Devorah walks through how our early attachment styles get unconsciously projected onto our relationship with God, and offers concrete practices for moving toward a more secure, honest connection with Hashem during this season of return.


    Rus Devorah Wallen is the founder and owner of Torah Therapeutics. She is an accomplished musician, performer, social worker, psychotherapist, administrative consultant, lecturer, and community leader whose work bridges psychology and Torah wisdom. Find out more at toratherapeutics.com.


    Article referenced in this episode: https://substack.com/@toratherapeutics/p-212834537


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    TIMESTAMPS:

    00:00:00 ---- "Back to the future," not back to who you were

    00:00:18 ---- Host intro

    00:01:33 ---- Rupture, Repair, and the God We Think We Know

    00:02:42 ---- The myth of perfect attunement

    00:04:46 ---- Why rupture & repair creates a more stabilized relationship

    00:05:07 ---- Attachment

    00:07:55 ---- Projecting childhood attachment templates onto God

    00:09:44 ---- Is it trauma,or is it truth?

    00:10:49 ---- The HALTS acronym

    00:13:12 ---- "The prisoner can't free himself from his own cell"

    00:15:20 ---- Mapping secure / anxious / avoidant attachment onto our relationship with God

    00:15:50 ---- What secure attachment looks like relationally

    00:19:30 ---- Bringing the secure-attachment framework into relationship with Hashem

    00:20:19 ---- Avoidant attachment with God

    00:23:09 ---- Moving from an unhealthy attachment pattern toward a more secure connection with God

    00:24:23 ---- Step one: learning to love yourself unconditionally

    00:25:26 ---- The shofar's sounds (tekiah, shevarim, teruah) as a metaphor for inner emotional release

    00:27:12 ---- "Back to the future" — becoming fuller, not returning to a former self

    00:30:35 ---- Teshuvah as "a descent for the sake of an ascent"

    00:34:12 ---- The difference between reunion and real repair — Rambam's stages of teshuvah

    00:41:31 --- Controlled stress as models for growth

    00:42:44 ---- Starting with the smallest possible action

    00:43:48 ---- Practical example: rebuilding belief in God one tiny step at a time

    00:45:22 ---- Finding an outside perspective to guide the process

    00:45:48 ---- Secure attachment with God makes room for doubt

    00:47:00 ---- Coming to God honestly, without whitewashing pain

    00:48:31 ---- Needing secure human relationships first

    00:52:13 ---- Reconciling a loving, all-seeing God with the felt experience of suffering

    00:52:59 ---- Her stroke story; trusting there was a purpose in crisis

    00:55:26 ---- Teshuvah creates something new, not a return to a childhood faith

    00:56:52 ---- Holding childlike wonder within an adult relationship with God

    00:58:23 ---- Using imagination and visualization to access sweetness

    01:00:20 ---- What if your childhood has no sweet memories to draw from?

    01:03:26 ---- Building everyday resilience through imaginal rehearsal

    01:04:16 ---- Bringing our full, imperfect selves to God

    01:06:40 ---- Avinu Malkeinu: God as both King and Father

    01:07:25 ---- Closing question

    01:08:01 ---- Host's outro

    1 hr 9 min
  • Where Are You? A Rosh Hashanah Reckoning with Choice

    What is Rosh Hashanah, the birthday of the world, inviting us to? In this recording of our Human & Holy Rosh Hashanah event in LA, we sit with powerful Torah sources to look at the opportunity available right now to co-create a new year with G-d.


    This episode explores why Rosh Hashanah is a relationship story, this time of year as a renewal of our capacity for choice, why being fully seen by Hashem can fill us with safety rather than dread, and why the mitzvah of the shofar has no single "right" sound, because the sound it's supposed to produce is whatever it produces in you.


    Join us on Youtube to follow along with the slideshow of sources.

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    TIMESTAMPS:

    00:00–01:44 Capacity for choice & waking up from sleep

    01:45–03:56 Breath and the Shofar

    03:57–07:25 Moving to a shorter line

    07:26–07:53 Judgment or compassion?

    07:54–12:09 Being fully seen by Hashem

    12:19–14:07 What if you have a fear of being seen?

    14:08–16:38 Teshuvah as ongoing relational repair

    16:40–20:13 Hour by hour of the first day of creation

    20:14–24:22 Ayeka: where are you?

    24:41–29:36 What if.I bring no intention to Shofar?

    29:37–30:16 Only the individual can say "You are my King"

    32:31–35:15 What does the Shofar's sound produce in you?

    36 min
  • Hashem Is In with Mimi Hecht, Rivki Rabinowitz, Chani Lisbon and ChayaLeah Sufrin

    So...how are we doing?


    We're ringing in the new Jewish year with a Jewish State of the Union: where have we been this last year and where are we headed?


    Today, I sit down with four people who each have a finger on a different pulse of Jewish life. ChayaLeah Sufrin, executive director of Beach Hillel and host of the Ask a Jew podcast, walks through the year's defining global stories, reflects on what this moment is asking of the Jewish people and gives us some predictions for the year ahead.


    Comedian Chani Lisbon joins for a lighter, faster cultural check-in: why comedians are having a moment, what the whole Jewish world got obsessed with this year, and a rapid-fire round of "in or out" on everything from Pesach programs to WhatsApp statuses.


    Rivki Rabinowitz, a beauty influencer and interior designer whose work has been featured in Architectural Digest, The Wall Street Journal and more, gives modest fashion the real trend report it deserves: what's replacing slip skirts, her one unforgivable fashion sin, and how she holds beauty and depth as the same thing, not opposites.


    Closing with a brilliant bang is writer and culture shaper Mimi Hecht's reflections on language: why the term "Hashem" is having a comeback, why words like "healing" and "capacity" have worn thin, the return of words like service and collective, and why specificity is rising in our culture's choice of words.


    Underneath every conversation, one thread kept showing up: this is the year where every Jew just wants to feel like a Yid.


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    TIMESTAMPS:


    00:00:00 Segment 1— ChayaLeah Sufrin: The Jewish Year in Review

    00:03:31 The five biggest Jewish stories of the year

    00:07:35 How to stay informed without living in fear

    00:12:54 What is this moment asking of the Jewish people?

    00:13:36 A worry people should let go of

    00:16:16 What Israel needs from Diaspora Jews right now and vice versa

    00:21:18 ChayaLeah's predictions for the new year

    00:24:44 Young Jews seeking authentic, substantial Judaism


    00:27:00 Segment 2 — Chani Lisbon: A Cultural State of the Union

    00:27:59 Why comedians are having a cultural moment right now

    00:29:16 Top cultural moment of the year

    00:30:06 What everyone got obsessed with this year

    00:32:43 Hot take: Why Chani doesn't want a "trendy" rabbi

    00:36:15 Rapid-fire "In or Out": pickleball, WhatsApp status, and group tours to Kazakhstan

    00:43:11 What people are actually craving


    00:45:00 Segment 3 — Rivki Rabinowitz: The Modest Fashion Report

    00:46:43 How social media made modest fashion mainstream and immediate

    00:52:27 The current "modest girl uniform"

    00:52:46 Fashion predictions for the year ahead

    00:55:46 Modest makeovers by profile

    00:57:01 Rapid-fire

    01:00:12 Can aesthetics and depth coexist?

    01:04:58 What modesty invites her into creatively


    01:09:01 Segment 4: Mimi Hecht on the State of words

    01:09:10 Returning to the word "Hashem"

    01:15:02 Why we reached for substitute language in the first place

    01:18:18 Choosing specific Jewish language as an act of confidence

    01:19:34 Why is our culture tired of the word "healing"?

    01:26:04 A generational shift in language from self-focus back toward giving

    01:32:11 Rapid-fire "Replace the Word"

    01:36:29 Defining Chassidic terms in plain language: neshama, mitzvah, and kelipah

    01:45:02 Why the term Avodas Hashem makes Mimi emotional

    01:46:55 Using words honestly


    01:48:43 Host's Outro


    1 hr 55 min
  • The Moment that Stuck | Rachel Jacobs: Why Numbers Don't Measure Success

    Human & Holy is on a season break for the rest of the summer! During this time, we're airing your favorite moments from the past few seasons. This episode is an impactful moment extracted from the original conversation. Watch the episode in full here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VuF9NwQt8o


    Rebbetzin Rachel Jacobs built a Jewish community in Birmingham, UK from the ground up: a Chabad house, a Torah Tots nursery, a Hebrew school, and a role as the only Jewish studies teacher in a school of 160 students. In this excerpt, we explore what happens when you feel called to build something and no one shows up, and how she learned to measure success by relationships instead of numbers. Rachel shares the Torah teaching that convinced her to start a Hebrew school with just six kids, and what it felt like years later watching those same kids read fluently from the Torah at their own bar and bat mitzvahs. A conversation about faith, community building, Jewish education, and redefining what success actually means.


    Rachel Jacobs, originally from Los Angeles, California, currently serves as Rebbetzin of Singers Hill Synagogue in Birmingham, England. She is also the Educational Director of the Torah Tots nursery school, the Cheder, and the Jewish studies program at the local King David Primary School. Over the past 20 years, Rachel has gained recognition as an inspiring Jewish speaker, with a particular focus on women’s issues and marriage. Her warmth, charisma, and insightful teachings have touched the lives of Jewish women across the United States and Europe. You can contact Rachel via [email protected] and on instagram @Rachelcjacobs.


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    TIMESTAMPS:

    00:00 — The ache of being called to something and hearing crickets back

    00:23 — Rachel on the early, hardest days of building a Chabad house

    04:03 — The real question underneath it all: are we measuring success by numbers?

    04:21 — Starting Torah Tots with six kids: "affecting children from a young age is infinite"

    05:41 — The reality now: down to two kids, and showing up anyway

    05:53 — Called into King David School as the lone Jewish voice for 11 students among 160

    07:35 — Leading through bureaucracy and red tape: "you have to go back to your why"

    09:23 — Redefining the metric of success: deep impact on one person over reach to many

    09:50 — Rachel's husband and the minyan he shows up for every night, no matter the count

    12:53 — The Torah source that named her calling: Matos Masei and the tribes who chose to build

    12:54 — Starting Cheder Club with five boys and one girl

    14:56 — Years later: those same kids reading fluently from the Torah at their bar and bat mitzvahs

    16:04 — "It's the positivity. People want to be part of success."

    16:14 — Outro

    17 min
  • The Moment that Stuck | Devori Nussbaum: Why You Feel Numb (And How to Reconnect to G-d)

    Human & Holy is on a season break for the rest of the summer! During this time, we're airing your favorite moments from the past few seasons. Watch the original episode in full here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhnlNd2zd2w


    In this excerpt from a past episode with Devori Nussbaum, we explore healing a blocked heart, rooted in Tanya and Chassidic thought. We explore why arrogance and honesty are opposites, the Torah's real definition of humility, and the difference between grief and depression. Devori shares how the animal soul keeps us "small, safe, and in control" and the exact language for asking G-d for help from wherever you honestly are, not where you think you should be. If you've been feeling numb, disconnected, or far from Hashem, this episode is a way back in.


    Devori is an integrative psychotherapist who has trained in many different healing modalities including body psychotherapy, imago therapy, logotherapy, the energetics of food, quantum touch, breathwork, CBT, NLP, EMDR, IFS, inner child work and somatic modalities. She is also passionate about teaching Chassidus in a way that is accessible, relevant and embodied, showing people that these teachings are not just nice ideas, but a description of our reality. Get in touch with Devori and find out more about her work on www.devorinussbaum.com.


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    TIMESTAMPS:

    0:00 — The antidote to the desire to be "transformed"

    0:15 — Presencing your block: how to begin when you feel numb or disconnected

    1:09 — Why honesty is what unlocks connection to Hashem


    1:40 — The Tanya's teaching on the oneness of God and the kelipah (shell) of separation

    2:57 — Pain vs. suffering: the difference between what hurts and the story we tell about it

    4:08 — The void as a portal: Ayin (nothingness) as the source of infinite potential


    5:09 — Bringing G-d's presence into your darkness: how tears open the way to joy

    5:30 — The classic teaching: "To open hearts, to know what one sees and hears"

    6:59 — Seeing past people's defenses to "the light behind their eyes"

    8:22 — Living in constant one-on-one conversation with G-d

    9:14 — Why we judge the external shell before we ever see the soul underneath

    10:22 — The frequency of oneness: hearing it like a heartbeat, an undercurrent

    11:49 — Clearing the noise: expanding your capacity to notice the sacred in ordinary things

    13:31 — Where blocked hearts really come from: unacknowledged grief

    14:12 — Grief, attachment, and learning to move through the seasons of life

    17:25 — Is being present with pain against Jewish values?

    17:56 — Merirut vs. atzvut: the Tanya's distinction between grief and depression

    19:26 — Moving through the cycle of grief back into joy

    21:41 — "Ask for help from where you actually are"

    23:04 — Arrogance and honesty as opposites, and what true humility actually means

    24:00 — Moshe Rabbeinu, humility, and the honesty of naming your own greatness

    25:28 — "Small, safe, and in control": the animal soul's real agenda

    26:26 — Living from the divine soul: success and failure as opportunities, not identity

    28:20 — The real cost of letting go of an identity you've outgrown

    30:22 — Peeling away the layers: why every threshold in life asks you to release something

    31:51 — Closing thoughts

    33 min
  • The Moment That Stuck | Inbal Levin: Our Light is Our Weapon

    Human & Holy is on a season break for the rest of the summer! During this time, we're airing your favorite moments from the past few seasons. Watch the original episode in full here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3u2c4ErF-4


    In this excerpt, we discuss why being "chosen" isn't a status, but a responsibility to model moral clarity for a world that's lost it. Why the Lubavitcher Rebbe called Shabbos candles a campaign, a mitzvah, an army, and why that language matters more after October 7th than it ever has before. Why the Haggadah spends almost no time on our slavery and nearly all of it on our freedom, and what that says about the story we choose to live inside of right now. This is an episode about the difference between reporting on darkness and building light, and why Inbal chooses the second one, every single day.


    Inbal Levin is a writer, former fashion model, and social media director for Chabad on Campus. You can connect with her via instagram @itsinbal.


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    TIMESTAMPS:

    00:00 — Being chosen means holding up a mirror

    07:21 — The Seven Noahide Laws and moral clarity for everyone

    09:02 — The Baal Shem Tov's answer to "Moshiach, when are you coming?"

    11:24 — Trusting Hashem in the long security line and the delayed flight

    14:15 — How every Jewish girl, age three and up, started lighting Shabbos candles

    18:03 — The menorah they wouldn't let into Auschwitz

    20:14 — Why the Rebbe used military language for mitzvahs

    23:25 — Choosing to build light instead of reporting on darkness

    26:15 — What Dara Horn's People Love Dead Jews gets right

    26:56 — The Rebbe never said the word "antisemitism": what the Haggadah teaches about what you choose to emphasize

    30:53 — Closing thought: you're not just living a story, you're choosing which one it is

    32 min
  • The Moment that Stuck | Chanie Krasnianski: The Soul of Intimacy

    Human & Holy is on a season break for the rest of the summer! During this time, we're airing your favorite moments from the past few seasons. Watch the original episode in full here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_0i0EAAC_4


    This excerpt with Chanie Krasnianski explores the Jewish view on sexual intimacy and marriage. We explore the soul-level magnetism between men and women that is sourced in the creation of the world, and talk honestly about the lived experience: what it means when attraction shows up outside your marriage, why halacha starts to feel like a checklist the second you lose the relationship underneath it, and what it looks like to reclaim the mikvah as an immersion into light instead of one more item on the list.


    We also sit in the places that don't resolve as cleanly: religious guilt, growing spiritually at a different pace than your spouse, wanting closeness during niddah and not always getting it, and navigating personal discomfort around immersion in the mikvah.


    Mrs. Chanie Krasnianski is the shlucha in the Upper East Side in Manhattan, NY and a seasoned educator and Torah teacher. Contact Chanie at [email protected].

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    00:00 — The soul-level reason for attraction between husband and wife

    04:05 — Attraction outside your marriage: where it's really coming from

    07:23 — Halacha as relationship, not checklist

    10:32 — When the framework feels restricting, not freeing

    12:44 — "We're human, not angels"

    13:58 — Trust in Hashem, and the mikvah as immersion into light

    20:18 — Bare minimum vs. growing on purpose

    22:11 — Why halacha is freedom, not restriction

    24:16 — Body image and privacy at the mikvah

    26:30 — The headstand story

    29:18 — Checking in with yourself when you won't call a rabbi

    30:35 — Why none of us are objective about our own lives

    37:53 — Calling a rabbi on a different continent — privacy and permission

    40:05 — Religious guilt and "you're not your spouse's rabbi"

    43:30 — Growing faster than your spouse — baby steps, not pressure

    47:07 — When you're the one resisting your spouse's growth

    48:49 — Your spouse as your mirror — the Adam-and-Eve reframe

    50:49 — Does absence really make the heart grow fonder?

    52:25 — Marriage as decades of weather

    55:49 — Closing reflection and outro

    58 min
  • The Moment that Stuck | Shternie Rosenfeld: How Gratitude Got Me Through My Divorce

    Human & Holy is on a season break for the rest of the summer! During this time, we're airing your favorite moments from the past few seasons.


    In this excerpt, Shternie describes the way she moves through the world: not with a basket she guards, protecting what's "owed" to her, but with an empty one, open-handed, saying thank you every time something lands in it.


    Shternie Rosenfeld went through what she calls her own tsunami: a devastating divorce that cracked her open completely. In this conversation, she shares what actually got her through: a relationship with Hashem that is raw, honest, and full of open gratitude.


    We talk about the difference between feeling entitled to goodness and feeling worthy of it and about how gratitude isn't whitewashing our pain, but allowing it to live in the same body that is screaming, grieving, and being honest with G-d.


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    Shternie Rosenfeld has spent more than 25 years in Jewish education and community leadership, teaching everyone from preschoolers to seniors. She spent 15 years as director of the Chabad Fox Chapel Jewish Center, building its Hebrew School, summer camp, and adult education programs from the ground up. She went on to found The Jewish Spark, a nonprofit running weekly Kabbalah classes and community Shabbat and holiday programming, and now serves as Program Director of the Yonah Foundation, where she supports 38 community centers worldwide and empowers women to lead Torah classes globally. She has also taught at Yeshiva Schools, Hillel Academy, and Tzohar Seminary. Find out more at shternie.com

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    00:00 — What got her through divorce

    02:16 — Talking to Hashem like a best friend

    03:55 — A real relationship, not a performed one

    05:02 — Seeing kindness as Hashem's hand

    05:40 — The basket metaphor

    10:36 — Entitlement vs. worthiness

    11:41 — What to do when you feel shortchanged

    13:54 — Gratitude in the tiny things

    15:08 — Modeh Ani as the daily reset

    16:40 — The Torah source on what is owed to us

    18:29 — Is gratitude ever dishonest?

    19:28 — "There's room for both"

    20:40 — Day by day

    22:41 — Marriage as a mirror for Hashem

    23:30 — Outro

    24 min

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