Happy Chaos: A Journey of Self-Love & Acceptance

Chavie and Tanya open the conversation by exploring the tension between being perceived as popular or “cool” but not actually feeling that way inside, and the journey towards truly accepting oneself feeling “cool” from within. Tanya reflects on her upbringing in Los Angeles as the granddaughter of Holocaust survivor Sam Menlo, who helped establish the contemporary Orthodox Jewish community in LA. She shares what it was like to grow up in the shadow of such a prominent family while navigating the challenges of being a child of divorce and often feeling like the “black sheep.” Chavie and Tanya discuss how essential it is to evolve within marriage and parenting, and how life’s ups and downs can ultimately be embraced as happy chaos.

Tanya Menlo-Heyman lives in Los Angeles with her husband, fellow LA native Avi Heyman, their four children, and a lively menagerie of dogs and cats. She is a community activist with deep roots in LA’s Jewish community. Her deep love for beauty, Judaism, and family—both human and furry—shapes a distinctive style that is entirely her own. Every detail of Tanya’s life is intentionally curated, reflecting her philosophy of using art, nature, and fashion to elevate the physical in her service to Hashem.

1:06:57 Gedale Fenster 

1:33:23 Dr. Brad Reedy

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Life Is the Medicine

Chavie and Mimi talk about their shared sleep deprivation struggles, thanks to their kindred spirit, non-bedtime-conformist six-and seven-year-old daughters. Mimi shares how her idyllic childhood growing up in Miami Beach was disrupted at age ten when her nineteen-year-old brother passed away suddenly in his sleep. She reflects on the impact of experiencing grief at such a young age while also trying to make sense of the grief of the adults around her. Chavie and Mimi discuss the tension Mimi managed as a teenager—being the life of the party while silently struggling with an eating disorder that lasted until she gave birth to her first child. Chavie brings up how current beauty trends are drifting back toward an emphasis on thinness, after a brief period of body positivity. Mimi shares how she and her husband had a wake-up call right before COVID that launched them on a self-discovery journey involving alternative healing methods like psilocybin, ayahuasca, and breathwork. Chavie and Mimi talk about finding the right guidance for these experiences and how they can align with Orthodox Jewish values.

Mimi Minsky writes like she breathes—honest, healing, and a little bit holy. She speaks and writes professionally for mainstream media, brands, businesses, and private clients, and she leads healing writing circles that crack people wide open. Mimi believes words, people, and connection are the medicine.

57:21 Dr. Joe Dispenza, Louisa Hay, Abraham Hicks Publications, Dolores Cannon, Neville Goddard 

59:08 This Is Your Mind on Plants by Michael Pollan, How to Change Your Mind Netflix Documentary

1:19:57 G-D, Rationality, & Mysticism by Dr. Irving Block (Chavie’s Grandfather) 

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Of Mystics & Poets: A Tale of an Empowered Judaism  

Chavie and Tonia connect over their shared upbringing as daughters of Chabad emissaries in Texas, reflecting on how empowering it was to carry so much responsibility from a young age. Chavie asks how Tonia maintained her creative spirit as a teenager, within a system that often values conformity, and Tonia shares how her strong intuition drew towards the deeper, mystical teachings of Chassidus, which harmonized naturally with artistic outlets like spoken word poetry. Chavie and Tonia explore how concepts like bittul (self-nullification) and modesty can sometimes be misdirected to disempower women, which misrepresents the Torah’s intent. Instead, they agree that these values belong within the broader framework of one’s service of Hashem and should never be weaponized as measures of their connection to G-d.

Tonia Chazanow is a writer, artist and spoken word poet. She hosts the Human & Holy podcast and teaches weekly Tanya classes. She is passionate about Torah study, gathering Jewish women, and the power of the arts to better understand ourselves and G-d.

Facing My Fear of Being Alone

Simi Polonsky is a dynamic force of creativity, spirituality, and resilience. With an unshakable passion for expression and connection, she merges artistry with a deep relationship with Hashem, walking through life with purpose and authenticity. A proud solo mother of three, Simi co-founded The Frock NYC, a pioneering fashion brand that helped reshape the conversation around modesty. Though the brand has evolved, its spirit lives on through a vibrant community and creative presence. Through her writing, creative direction, and speaking, Simi shares from the heart—inviting others into honest, soulful connection and empowering women to show up fully in their truth. 

Food is Your Friend - Reframing Trauma to Heal Your Body

Chavie and Lisa begin by bonding over their shared experience as podcast hosts and reflecting on Chavie’s participation in Lisa’s program. Lisa traces her path from personal trainer to certified health coach, eventually pursuing a Master’s and Doctorate in Social Work and launching a holistic and integrative health coaching business. She shares her health journey, beginning with being sent to Weight Watchers at age nine and reaching 300 pounds by the time she was seventeen. Then, after losing 150 pounds through extreme dieting, Lisa found herself physically unwell and emotionally unraveling. She shares with Chavie how this crisis propelled her to investigate why diets fail, ultimately leading her to discover the connection between trauma and health. Chavie and Lisa explore how our societal obsession with triggers and the desire to “feel safe” at all times desensitizes us from coping with uncomfortable feelings and circumstances that aren’t actually threatening to our safety—emotional or otherwise. Lisa shares that if we learn to accept feelings we don’t like, we can rely on other tools to find comfort rather than immediately turning to food. Once we learn to do that, it becomes okay to rely on food for comfort—as long as we feel in control and aren’t dependent on it for a sense of safety.

Lisa Schlosberg is the founder of Out of the Cave, LLC, where she combines her comprehensive expertise as a licensed social worker, integrative nutrition health coach, certified personal trainer, and registered yoga teacher to guide emotional eaters toward physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual health and healing. Maintaining a 150-pound weight loss for more than a decade by healing her relationship with food (through emotional healing, somatic experiencing, mindset shifts, and more), Lisa discovered that her lifelong struggle with "morbid obesity" and “disordered eating” were symptoms of unprocessed trauma and emotional stress. This realization fueled her passion for helping others navigate similar challenges with a heart-centered, trauma-informed approach. Her strengths-based philosophy is rooted in the belief that using food to cope is a valid method of managing stress, and it is possible to heal from the inside out. Driven to make her work accessible to all, Lisa hosts the Out of the Cave podcast, where she shares powerful client stories and expert insights to inspire global transformation.

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Motherhood of Choice: Infertility, Adoption, Race & Everything in Between

Chavie and Malka begin the conversation by reflecting on their shared experience of marrying young and expecting to have children right away. They discuss the harsh reality of infertility, the emotional toll of repeated interventions, and the pivotal decision to stop and consider new options. Together, they break down the step-by-step process of choosing adoption, challenging the notions of a homogeneous family where everyone looks alike and shares the same background. Malka shares her experience of adopting a Black child while living in Crown Heights, where the values established by the Lubavitcher Rebbe promote inclusivity, yet daily life presented painful challenges. She and Chavie explore their differing approaches to raising a family of choice, weighing the mental health implications of giving space to grief over infertility, the nuances of acknowledging differences between biological and adopted children, and the complexities of being White parents to Black children in a world that sometimes views such a decision with suspicion. They also discuss the progress in conversations around race in the Chassidic community and the hope it brings for their children.

Malka Groden is an adoptive mother of three children. Every day, she thanks G-d for her infertility, without which she would not have been blessed with her beautiful family. She oversees fundraising at a Jewish nonprofit and loves the opportunity to spend time with and learn from generous individuals.

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Adopting Our Daughters by Rabbi Chaim Bruk 

PUAH Fertility

Lessons in Heichaltzu

The Rebbe’s Words to Mayor David Dinkins

The Rebbe Didn’t Discriminate, Neither Should We

Should White People Adopt Black Kids with Jada Pinkett-Smith

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This episode is dedicated by Chaim Meir Hazan and his fiancé Sandra Chokron in honor of Mrs. Chavie and Rabbi Chaim Bruk. 

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Beyond the Surface: How To Heal & Restore Our Skin

Chavie begins the conversation by sharing her struggles with skincare and the transformative experience that led her to Linda, forming a deep friendship along the way. Linda reflects on what it was like to be born in Hawaii, grow up in Washington State, and move to Japan with her family for middle school. She shares how, after returning to the West Coast for college, she started out in retail, transitioned to the tech industry at Microsoft, and eventually found her way to Bozeman, where she embarked on a new career in skincare. Together, Chavie and Linda explore the connection between skin, body, and the nervous system, the power of showing up as we are, and the tension of being in the wellness industry when the products are so often driven by harmful trends. 

Linda is a holistic esthetician who believes in safe, non-toxic skincare, touch-focused techniques, and non-invasive technology that supports skin health. She believes that skin health comes from understanding how our body’s systems operate and are linked. Living in the sunny and arid mountains of Montana, she puts a significant emphasis on how the environment and climate can influence skin health.

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Rabbi Chaim’s Story: Mentorship, Growth, & Therapy

Chavie begins the conversation by asking Chaim about his childhood, growing up under the Rebbe’s wings in Crown Heights. He shares how idyllic it was to live in the Rebbe’s presence and how it permeated every aspect of daily life. He also reflects on some of the negative influences he absorbed as a yeshiva student, particularly the “you are with us or against us” mentality. Chaim talks about how his marriage to Chavie and the personal growth that followed helped shift his perspective, allowing him to see the world in a more nuanced way. He and Chavie discuss the importance of having a mentor—an objective third party to guide couples—along with seeking more rigorous support through therapy. Chaim and Chavie share numerous personal anecdotes about how this approach has helped them navigate the often-turbulent reality of raising five adopted children in the remote Jewish outpost of Bozeman, Montana.

Rabbi Chaim Bruk is the Co-CEO and spiritual leader of Chabad Lubavitch of Montana. He moved to Montana in 2007 with his wife Chavie, where they launched a renaissance of Jewish life across the state. They are raising their five children in Big Sky Country, where they enjoy nature daily. Chaim loves teaching Torah, writing about Judaism and current events, and has an obsession with kosher sushi.

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This week's episode is sponsored by Dr. Leorah Ross and her daughter Kochav in honor of the yahrzeit of her father, Reb Shmuel Zev OBM, and in honor of Klal Yisroel, our amazing Jewish family. 

This week’s episode is also dedicated by Daniel ben Yita Feiga and Sarah Emunah bas Sarah, who are dear friends and pillars of Chabad-Lubavitch of Montana.   

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Nurturing Your Creative Soul 

Mina and Chavie begin by reminiscing about their high school days together in Chicago. Mina reflects on how her parents nurtured creativity in each of their children, inspiring her to explore photography and writing. She then shares the earth-shattering moment when, at just eight years old, she learned her brother passed away as an infant due to a genetic condition. She and Chavie discuss Ambiguous Loss—the often-overlooked, long-term impact of unresolved grief. Mina describes how, from the moment she learned of her brother’s death, she began “looking for her brother” and committed her life to helping children with special needs. Chavie and Mina talk about the many roles women navigate throughout their lives and the importance to know, “you can do it all but not all at the same time.” Mina shares her own journey with life coaching and somatic healing, which led to her to participate in Chai Lifeline’s Tour de Simcha, a 50-mile cycling marathon with a fourteen month old baby.

Mina Richler is a proud Jewish woman and a loving mother of seven. She was born and raised with her twelve siblings in New City, New York as grandchildren of Holocaust survivors. In 2007, Mina co-founded Chabad of Gloucester County with her husband Avi and serves as Rebbetzin and Director for Women & Youth. Mina's happy place is over a hot cup of coffee and in deep discussion with just about anyone. In her spare time Mina can be found writing, road cycling, or behind a camera capturing G-d's beautiful people and life as it is.

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This week's episode is dedicated by our dear friends Maxine and Ralph Milliken in loving memory of their dear son Todd Edward Wasserman, Tanchum Peretz, who spent the final few months of his life in Bozeman enjoying the great outdoors, and sadly left his world at a young age due to his struggle with asthma. He was a giver and was always there to help others in their time of need.

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Interior Design: It Starts from Within

Brochie talks with Chavie about pausing her interior design business after having twins, which created an "empty space" for her to explore a new approach to design. She shares how she discovered Human Design, which focuses on identifying one's unique gift to share with the world and the most natural way to do so. Chavie and Brochie discuss how and if this aligns with Hassidic and Jewish values of dedicating all talents and skills to serving Hashem. Brochie then shares how she came across Designology and the Place Types method, which helped her identify her clients' unique aesthetics rather than following a rigid color palette approach. Together, Chavie and Brochie discuss their frustrations with design trends and explore which styles resonate most with them.

Brochie Spritzer is a luxury interior designer who uncovers each client’s unique style through their personality. Just as your personality influences how you dress, it also shapes your interior design style. Brochie brings the concept of "placetypes" to life, showing how different personalities translate into interiors. Instead of imposing a signature look, she designs from her clients’ perspective, creating spaces that feel personal, sophisticated, and one of a kind.

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This week's episode is sponsored by the Jewish Children's Library Fund, which helps establish Jewish children's libraries in communities across the United States. The goal is to create libraries in community members' homes, providing a dedicated space—beyond school or shul—where children can experience Jewish pride. The fund offers matching grants and a database to help you get started. If you or someone you know is interested in opening a library, text Reuven Rockford at 954-709-9541 and visit their website at www.jewishchildrenslibraryfund.com.

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