In this episode, Matt, Steve, and Jessica will start off by sharing some of the numerous awesome reviews they’ve received on iTunes and Steve will share his deep concerns about the issue of gay people who are afraid to come out choosing to commit suicide.

Steve and Jessica will then talk about the period when they officially split and Jessica moved away from Oklahoma with Penny.

Before the move, the two of them, Penny included, had had dinner with Sebastian... the guy Steve had cheated with.

You won’t wanna miss this one.

It’s going to be a really interesting story.

Highlights of the discussion:

• Leaving the pinky nail long when cutting the nails: A South American culture (01:57)
• Responding with love and affection to those who come out to us (07:13)
• Trying to figure out Penny’s lifestyle after the separation (16:41)
• The weirdness of Jessica talking to Sebastian while Steve is right there (20:13)
• Moving forward with the divorce into new relationships and new husbands (24:19)
• Jessica and Penny’s long journey from Oklahoma to Boise (28:32)

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In this episode, Steve and Jessica will talk about the point at which their marriage finally ended and the events that led to that. It all started when they moved to Oklahoma and living in a hotel before they could move into their new house, and Steve cheated with a guy he met.

He expected to be repulsed by the whole experience, but he ended up embracing it, and he had to tell Jessica about it so she could help him move forward with their marriage. Eventually, Steve couldn’t stop contacting the guy which led to their marriage falling apart. It’s gonna be an interesting story. Enjoy!

Highlights of the discussion:

• Being in suitcases and sitting on the stairs and the little refrigerator ledge (04:14)
• The devastation of finding out Steve had an affair (06:45)
• The inexperienced support group in Oklahoma (11:25)
• Staying married to a gay guy for 5 to 6 years (20:48)
• Why Jessica never really got angry at Steve (27:04)
• Giving a short version of 7 years of marriage (33:54)
• Supporting each other and moving forward towards happiness (38:36)

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In this episode, Matt, Steve, Jessica will pick up where they left off on the previous episode, talking about how Steve and Jessica progressed in Colorado Springs.

They’ll dive into Jessica’s creativity side hustle while Steve was away at work and what it was like for him to slowly come out as gay to people - including the “Same-Gender Attraction Group”.

Then comes Toby...

...The Volkswagen bus they used to have, and how it made Steve feel more masculine.

Tune in to find out why Steve named the bus Toby and learn so much more about their life in Colorado. You’re totally gonna love this one.

Highlights of the discussion:

• Jessica’s artistic/creative talent in sewing (02:27)
• Penny’s homemade/handmade Halloween costumes (05:58)
• Being guided by the workbook from the support group for gay Mormons (11:55)
• Trying/discovering new things and coming out to supportive friends (21:56)
• Building trust and the issue of work trips (31:53)
• Making the most of where we are at (36:39)
• Steve embracing that he was a gay man who needed a gay lifestyle (40:14)
• Bonding with Penny and learning to be parents (45:07)

Additional Resources:

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In this episode, Steve will share his experience with wanting to get the love and support of his loved ones when he came out, and how that applies to relationships in general. Matt and Jessica will share their thoughts on that and dive into how it affects people.

They will also talk about their long and short term goals, and how important it is for someone to sit down and write out their goals so they can hold themselves accountable to accomplishing them. Tune in to learn how you can set your goals for overall success in life.

Highlights of the discussion:

• The unconditional love and support we all need from loved ones (01:01)
• It only takes something small and simple to show a little bit of love (07:25)
• Goals, goals, goals for Steve and Jessica (15:02)
• Be who you're going to be all the time (23:31)
• Aligning ourselves with people who can help us accomplish our goals (29:30)
• Matt’s personal goals: Self-care before success (34:47)

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In this episode, Matt, Jessica, and Steve will talk about relationships and how difficult they can be to build. Jessica and Steve will share the ups and downs they went through in developing their relationship when they were married, up to the point they’re at now.

It’s going to be a super interesting story of the good and bad times they had all through their marriage, and how they relate with each other now. Enjoy!

Highlights of the discussion:

• Why we should avoid anger in relationships (01:23)
• The time Jessica threw her phone at Steve (05:02)
• The impact that Belize and church service had on their relationship (10:08)
• Our relationships are better when we love and accept ourselves for who we are (12:44)
• Relationships are hard, they take trial and error (18:11)
• When is the right time to apologize? (26:00)
• Matt being okay with Jessica and Steve’s relationship (32:40)

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In this episode, Jessica and Steve will talk about their move from Belize to Colorado Springs, how they adjusted themselves to the new environment, and the ups and downs they went through.

They also dive extensively into Steve’s past struggles with pornography and being gay, while sharing how he overcame all that. Tune in and enjoy.

Highlights of the discussion:

• Steve’s new job after moving from Belize to Colorado (01:04)
• Pornography did not make Steve gay (07:50)
• Support groups for Steve’s benefit (18:49)
• Gay, Mormon, and married (27:32)
• Sharing our stories gives others permission to share theirs (31:17)
• Being good at expressing ourselves to others (37:35)
• Don’t struggle alone when there are people who (40:51)

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In this episode, Jessica and Steve will share the story of how their daughter Penny was born. Penny’s arrival was a week late and it had been announced that the destructive hurricane Ida was headed their way.

Listen in as they dive into how hectic the duration of the pregnancy was, the highly stressful situation that surrounded Penny’s birth in Belize, and how scary and emotional it was for Steve.

Highlights of the discussion:

• The hustle of giving birth in Belize (01:03)
• Full day doctor’s appointments (03:30)
• Finding out the baby’s gender at a mall (09:47)
• Heading into a hurricane and the water breaks (18:28)
• Steve passing out during a blood draw (26:23)
• The stress of bringing a child into the world while carrying a huge burden (30:10)
• Penny’s first meal out of a cup (33:49)
• The Moses basket and the gringo-oriented baby care suggestions (38:24)
• Moving back to the US (43:49)

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In this episode, Matt discusses how the separation left him tired and exhausted, which happens to just about tally with how Jessica felt upon her split with Steve. Was the situation negatively affecting Matt so much that he was becoming a broken version of himself?

Fortunately for him and his kids, his parents and his extended family rose up to the occasion to pick the pieces up. This episode definitely drives home the importance of families - it even shines the light on extended family members - the more the merrier!

Highlights of the discussion:

• The breaking news of the other guy causing a freak-out, with wife having had Ambien (4:27)
• The very thought of the two kids calling for rationality in all of the mayhem (7:55)
• Promptness in approaching mom for help (8:50)
• Parents’ house coming in as a safe refuge (11:50)
• An adoring aunt stepping in as a pillar of support (28:47)
• Being proud of the big extended family for making it work (37:39)

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In this episode, Matt shares the rest of his story and dives into his open-mindedness about Steve and Jessica’s relationship. With Jessica and Steve’s contributions, they talk about how important that is and the impact it has had on each of them.

Matt talks about his marriage to his ex-wife and what it was like, and all the ups and downs he went through in that marriage. This is gonna be a great listen, you won’t wanna miss it.

Highlights of the discussion:

• Was Steve being judgemental of Matt? (00:55)
• The way to treat people (04:14)
• Figuring out how to make babies (10:24)
• Who needs a couch when you’ve got a bounce house (19:01)
• The calling to become young men’s president in Spanish branch (27:39)
• One of the scummiest industries there can ever be (37:34)
• The disc golf conundrum (47:36)

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