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April 02 Episode 195: Young Leaders vs Older Leaders: Who Connects Better?
Volunteer Leaders are so crucial to a healthy youth ministry.
But as you recruit, should you focus more on older leaders?
Or younger leaders?
In this debate style episode we have two leaders make their case on both sides of the aisle!
Let's dive in, together!
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Do older or younger leaders connect better with students?
01:32 Meet the Older Leaders vs Younger Leader Debate Contestants
04:38 Older People are Better Youth Ministry Volunteers
07:09 Younger People are Better Youth Ministry Volunteers
09:43 Can you clarify the emotional stability for older volunteers?
10:52 How should a busy youth pastor respond to social media?
12:54 Do younger people ever prove to be less reliable?
17:08 Closing Arguments
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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:01.062)
What's up everybody? Here we are. I am with Jacob and Tyler. Gentlemen, how we doing this morning?
Jacob (00:07.712)
Doing good. It's good.
Tyler Johnson (00:08.579)
Doing so good.
Nick Clason (00:09.93)
Have we both already had coffee or is that after this is over?
Jacob (00:15.057)
I just finished my cup, so I'm all set.
Nick Clason (00:17.18)
Okay.
Tyler Johnson (00:17.454)
I had tea because I'm a tea guy.
Nick Clason (00:19.708)
Hey, there you go. Who knew? The more you know. Comment down below your favorite brand of tea for Tyler. But we're going to let each of you have a moment. I don't want to get too far into this without you guys letting us know who you are. So by random draw that happened off camera and you're just going to have to trust me because I'm a pastor and I get paid to tell the truth. Jacob, you get to go first and introduce yourself one minute on the clock. Are you ready, sir?
Jacob (00:19.826)
Yeah.
Jacob (00:48.273)
Yeah, yeah, I can do a lot in a minute, let's do it. All right, yeah, my name is Jacob Hayes. I'm a student pastor for the chapel in Wisconsin. So I work with our three campuses in Wisconsin and our main campuses in Whitewater, which is UW College Town. So I get a lot of college students and it's fun to work with them. And yeah, it's just been great. See, I did it in under a minute.
Nick Clason (00:50.218)
All right, let's go.
Tyler Johnson (01:08.02)
you
Nick Clason (01:11.85)
19 seconds what a right I don't think any youth pastor has ever come in that short on their time, but my friend Impressive stuff right there Tyler the bars been set bro
Jacob (01:19.858)
There you go.
Nick Clason (01:27.56)
Alright, are you ready Tyler? Let's go!
Tyler Johnson (01:28.974)
I'm so ready. I will take more than 19 seconds because I read that in debate it matters to take your full time. So my name is Tyler 2 Wall Johnson. The rest of that context doesn't need to be known because I don't think I can tell it in the remaining 40 seconds that I have. I am currently in Fort Wayne at Christ Hope Ministries and Church.
I have only been here for about a year. was at my previous church for about eight years and I have had a fair balance of both young and old volunteers in the ministries. And so as I come today, ready to bear the fight and the voice of the older people, as there was another person in our retreat that the three of us had had recently who strives to be an older person.
Jacob (01:54.899)
Okay. Okay.
Tyler Johnson (02:20.556)
I cannot wait and so I am ready to defend the old today. Done.
Nick Clason (02:27.41)
Nice, great work. wait, I got distracted. There we go. I almost didn't give you credit for that because I laid the remote down.
Tyler Johnson (02:37.101)
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, let it be known that it was about 56 seconds.
Nick Clason (02:40.714)
Strong work, man, both of you strong work. All right, well, now that we thoroughly know everything and we know the bare minimum of Jacob's life, let's get this show on the road. So once again, by random draw, Jacob, since you went first on the last one, that means Tyler, your position that you're getting two minutes to argue is that older people are better youth ministry volunteers.
Jacob (02:51.398)
Okay. Okay.
Nick Clason (03:10.282)
and you're about to have two minutes on the clock. Are you ready?
Jacob (03:11.346)
Okay. Okay.
Tyler Johnson (03:14.54)
I will take one minute and 59 seconds.
Nick Clason (03:16.99)
Alright, well then my friend, take it away.
Tyler Johnson (03:20.522)
Yes, I am here to debate that for older volunteers, here's number one. They bring long-term faithfulness and not just energy. They model a future version of faith. They're often more emotionally stable. I do say that as a once young person, kind of middle-aged. What is 30? Am I young middle-aged or am I old young? I don't know. That's for later. I'm in my debate time.
Jacob (03:42.345)
. Thank
Tyler Johnson (03:50.955)
Here's one of the probably the biggest that I have seen more personally outside of just reading from my notes and it's this. There is more ownership with the maturity, not just ownership of the ministry, but there's ownership of the tasks that they have. Not only do they see the ministry as their own or maybe their small group as their own and the ability to without asking permission or even sometimes without asking how.
Nick Clason (04:01.514)
Hmm.
Jacob (04:13.129)
.
Tyler Johnson (04:18.508)
They're going to go in and say, like, you know, they're going to grab the lunches. They're going to grab the coffees. I don't have to hold their hand for some of that. At the same time in ministry, if they are teaching a lesson, if they are preparing small group questions, it is theirs. They want to own it. And they might want feedback over some of that, but they're going to have ownership of it. In the same way, finally, there's a lot of ownership of their faith. As a young adult, even a young
Jacob (04:36.369)
Okay.
Tyler Johnson (04:47.052)
volunteer. I do believe someone is supposed to have a Paul and a Timothy at all times, even into their older years. But there's a lot of times that that those 20 somethings, they are still looking very heavily towards their Paul. And so with the the 40s, I would say arguably older ministry volunteers is probably 50 up. They they have experienced that mentorship role and are more willing to be the Paul than needing to be the Timothy. Done.
Nick Clason (05:18.782)
Fantastic, strong work. Jacob, the bar has been set, my friend. He brought in the Bible and everything, so it's now time for you.
Jacob (05:19.344)
There you go. That was good.
Jacob (05:25.413)
Here we go.
Tyler Johnson (05:28.446)
shoot, I should have used the Bible.
Nick Clason (05:33.5)
It's that time for you to argue your side of the aisle, though you guys are friends. You once were friends. Will you still be friends after this, Jacob? Two minutes on the clock. Take it away.
Jacob (05:35.44)
Here we go.
Jacob (05:45.85)
Go for it. Yeah, so I want to clarify before I offend anybody that's 35 or older, that I'm 29, so 30 and above is still in the older mark for me. But I think there's something that younger volunteers provide that can't be replicated anywhere else. And that first thing mainly is just proximity. Proximity to culture, life stage, proximity to what students are actually experiencing right now.
You know, they remember what it was like to sit in the cafeteria awkward wondering about what they're going to do with their lives. Not 25 years ago with a completely different generation, but just a couple years ago. I think the other thing that it provides is you get you get volunteers. Students look to those younger volunteers and they see a hope, not just a hope that's like, man, 45, 50 years from now, this is where I can be. But there's a hope of OK, faith can actually survive past high school like.
faith can actually thrive in a college setting because I'm seeing college-age young adult students or young adult leaders actually engaging and figuring it out. And they don't have all of the answers completely. But I also think that that provides a comfortability of freedom to the students that go like, hey, it's okay if I'm not hitting college-age and I have all of the answers because they're still trying to figure out what they're gonna do. And that's okay, it's a process. And they can kind of have hope in that. And then the younger leaders can speak into that a little bit for them and give them a sense of,
going be okay, you've got time to process some of these things and they can do that together. I think the other thing is that it builds a leadership pipeline. know, for all the pros that Tyler's talking about, for the older volunteers, you don't get there without some of the without starting at some point. And so you got to start as a young leader, use the skills that you have at the time and then work your way up to a place where you can be a a Paul instead of just a Timothy. But also remember that
Tyler Johnson (07:31.562)
you
Jacob (07:34.745)
Paul called Timothy when he was super young into a step of ministry. It wasn't that, let's get you to a certain age, but it was right there in that moment. Done.
Nick Clason (07:45.086)
Great. So each person, each member of the defense, I don't know, this isn't court, has presented their side. Does anyone have a clarifying question for the other person to try and understand their side of the argument maybe a little bit better?
Tyler Johnson (07:56.747)
you
Jacob (08:10.063)
Yeah, I'll go. Clarify a little bit on the emotional stability of older volunteers. I'm not saying I disagree. I just want to hear the specific strength that comes from as an older volunteer, because I think it's possible the younger volunteers can be in a place where they're emotionally stable. But maybe I'm missing the angle that you're coming from.
Tyler Johnson (08:21.194)
Yeah, I think that older volunteers can react less dramatically to maybe sometimes it's student behavior or something like that, as well as even when there are storms in their personal life, I think you'll see someone who's
Jacob (08:40.374)
Here you go.
Jacob (08:46.447)
Yeah, that's
Tyler Johnson (08:50.249)
keep a more calm sense in them more than when the storms of life are hitting a young person.
Nick Clason (09:00.648)
Tyler, you got one for Jacob?
Tyler Johnson (09:02.845)
I'm gonna come up with one, but I really liked Jacob's take. No, no, no, no, no, I didn't admit guilty, I'm just saying, it was a good point. Talk to me some about, obviously with the older crowd, took the stance of there's some high reliability.
Nick Clason (09:05.608)
Yeah.
Jacob (09:10.84)
Did he just admit on here that I won or we live over?
Nick Clason (09:16.126)
Ahem.
Tyler Johnson (09:29.917)
Talk to me about the lows of reliability in young people and if that has been an experience that you've experienced.
Jacob (09:36.093)
I mean 100 % although I would also argue that I've that I've worked with older volunteers who are sometimes just as as unreliable as as younger volunteers and so it's a little bit of a balance I think One of the things that all that I'll say and I'll push a little bit on the younger volunteers compared to older volunteers if I'm doing a and I'm hoping that all of us are in agreement that this is a horrible idea if I'm doing an overnight event right, I'm getting the young guys who can
pound two red bulls and eat Taco Bell and go run with the kids then get the older volunteers to go, hey, I need you to go run around for a whole night and interact. And so there's a little bit of an energy there that they can provide. And I totally agree. think there's the emotional stability thing is super important. I do agree. think older volunteers are a lot more calm, especially in situations where like we need calmness and direction in terms of crisis, both in our lives and then also just in the craziness of Wednesday nights, we need a little bit of calm.
Nick Clason (10:05.866)
Yeah.
Tyler Johnson (10:29.225)
you
Jacob (10:30.03)
But I think at some point you're not going to be able to, they're not going to be able to learn that, the young leaders, unless they're in it first and see the older people do it. And so they have to experience that so that way they can also learn how to get there.
Tyler Johnson (10:41.503)
I do, so what's really fun is talking about the overnight, right? Because we've all been there. Sometimes it's not about just the evening, it's about the recovery. I've known some young people who pounded those two Red Bulls and then afterwards, like the next day, they are a frail Victorian child on their couch.
Jacob (10:45.549)
Yeah.
Jacob (10:53.095)
Yeah, that's right.
Jacob (11:03.021)
True.
Tyler Johnson (11:03.857)
And some older people who are like, I got my coffee and I'm going to work today. And I'm like, you're insane.
Jacob (11:11.511)
Fair enough.
Nick Clason (11:12.522)
Well, and younger people have like sometimes their life lends itself better for recovery. They're like, I will be sleeping all day Saturday and it doesn't matter. And older people are like, I have a family and we have an upward basketball game that we have to be at at 9 a.m. You know what I'm saying? And so there's definitely like there's some of the availability piece of maybe like a younger person, but there's maybe some of the wisdom piece of the older person.
Tyler Johnson (11:30.407)
Absolutely.
Nick Clason (11:41.726)
Which is probably why this is a terrible argument to have a either or stance on, right? Like that's probably why it's helpful and beneficial to have a good blend of both, right? And so that doesn't make for a strong YouTube title, but it does make probably for good youth ministry to have a good blend of older volunteers and younger volunteers because you can certainly see the pros of both sides. And let's be honest, you can also see the cons.
Jacob (11:48.783)
Yeah.
Jacob (12:05.888)
For sure.
Nick Clason (12:11.89)
of both stances of the argument.
Tyler Johnson (12:14.44)
Yeah, and to be honest, I figured that was the point anyway, right, is to have the balance. even for the older people, the idea is not they are not just mentoring the students, they're mentoring the younger leaders. There's so much wrapped up. Jacob said it, there's a pipeline. You don't get to be the older volunteer without at one point probably being also the younger volunteer. And realistically, as the younger volunteer, as I was a younger volunteer,
Jacob (12:16.813)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (12:18.023)
You
Nick Clason (12:27.114)
Hmm.
Nick Clason (12:39.241)
Yeah.
Tyler Johnson (12:44.155)
There were volunteers that I looked up to that said, man, I want to do discipleship that way. want to do, man, I want to have their presence when my life looks like their life.
Jacob (12:44.301)
Sounds like I'm I'm winning now this thing
Nick Clason (12:54.652)
I was gonna say objection to the pipeline because like what's the point of a pipeline? You don't actually want them past 30. So like just burn them out bro and then.
Tyler Johnson (13:03.848)
Are you? I'm sorry, Mr. Host, are you taking a stance? I don't feel good about this.
Nick Clason (13:07.816)
No, I was just, I was just.
I was just playing a counterpoint. All right.
Jacob (13:15.353)
You
Nick Clason (13:18.014)
Final arguments, are we ready? So I believe since Jacob went first on the last one, Tyler, is that right?
Jacob (13:24.204)
That's right.
Tyler Johnson (13:30.001)
I went first on the last one.
Nick Clason (13:31.484)
since Tyler went first on the last one by random draw that you'll have to trust. Yeah, I'm pastor. Jacob, one minute on the clock to defend your younglings. Are you ready? All right, take it away.
Tyler Johnson (13:37.148)
You're a pastor.
Jacob (13:45.366)
Yeah, I'm ready.
Yeah, think, yeah, close that out. I think it's also like you see the students that get to see the younger leaders engage, that gives them a hopeful passion and you can plug those guys in when they graduate into your middle school programming, right? And then that's where they can learn even more. And so it's not just you have these students from...
It would be great. It would be a great world to live in if they if every single one of them came in in sixth grade and stayed until senior year, right? But we know that that some of them come in in their in their senior year or junior year or anywhere in that spectrum and you think well only have a certain amount of time right? Well these younger leaders can pour into these people and help them figure out their gifts. So maybe it's being called into ministry. Maybe it's being called into something else or jumping into serving in student ministry to see where they feel like where their spiritual gifts are right? And those can happen at a young age rather than going well I'll just figure it out when I'm 30 and go from there.
Tyler Johnson (14:44.966)
Thank you.
Nick Clason (14:45.256)
All right, well done. Let's round it out, Mr. Tyler. Older people are better than younger people as youth ministry volunteers because...
Tyler Johnson (14:51.174)
I'm ready.
Tyler Johnson (14:57.201)
The last point I want to make for older volunteers is the vision casting as well as the decisions they make are generational. There are times that think with younger people they planned sometimes as little as like they're ready for next summer, they're ready for the next summer conference, they're ready for the next big event. When a lot of the decisions in ministry that is done from some of the older volunteers is they are thinking the long term, they are thinking about the students when they're getting to their
late 30s, 40s, 50s, and how they can pour into them. They have that vision of the five-year plan and not the one-year plan. And I have found that incredibly valuable, especially when establishing a ministry for even me to go to them and have those long-term vision casting conversations about the ministry. Done.
Nick Clason (15:53.61)
Well done, there you have it folks. Old volunteers versus young volunteers. Let us know down below who won and whose side you're on. We should probably put like an old person emoji for one person and a child emoji. Yeah, yeah, then you, yeah.
Jacob (16:08.121)
And then put me
Tyler Johnson (16:09.657)
I just assumed that there was a filter you're gonna do in post that like I'm 90 right now.
Nick Clason (16:17.13)
Oh, I'm good, but I might not be that good, I mean. Yeah.
Tyler Johnson (16:21.336)
Okay, I'm just like, well, one, I kind of wanted to see it. I wanted to see like the really greys, like my grandfather had a very good head of hair even in his 90s. So like, I'm hoping that sticks. Yeah.
Jacob (16:24.142)
You
Jacob (16:32.978)
That sounds nice, that sounds really nice,
Nick Clason (16:34.154)
Way to rub salt in the wounds there,
Jacob (16:39.946)
That's right.
21 min
March 26 Episode 194: Same Small Group Leader for 7 Years vs Changing Every Year
Small Group Leaders are the life-blood of any good student ministry.
But what is our most effective strategy to deploy them? Is it to saddle a great leader with students for their entire careeer? Or is it rather to introduce students to great leaders along their journey?
In this first debate style episode we have two amazing youth pastors, on two different sides of the argument, and they're going head to head, and you get to be the voter!
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 The Same or Different Small Group Leaders
02:33 Meet Stephen
04:25 Meet Isaac
05:25 Students should keep the same leaders
08:02 Students should change to different leaders
10:08 What if a student doesn’t like their leader?
11:56 What about Social Media?
13:05 How do you discern when to move a student?
16:21 How many leaders in each group?
20:08 The Ultimate Small Group Win
22:28 New Leader Every So Often Closing Statement
23:22 Same Leader Every So Often Closing Statement
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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:00.103)
All right, well here we are. I mean, this is about to get really, really like real now because we have two amazing youth pastors with two completely different points of view on what's best for small group student leadership. And so again, by random draw that you'll have to trust because I'm a youth pastor, so I get paid to tell the truth. Isaac was randomly drawn to give his first two minute argument. So.
Isaac (00:04.782)
Hmm.
Stephen Rose (00:12.276)
You
Nick Clason (00:29.009)
We're about to put two minutes on the clock. are you ready?
Isaac (00:33.026)
Yeah, and just just clarifying because I want to make sure we are talking about leaders walking with students like. Are is it better? Is it better for them to go each year with them or every year? Let's recycle. That's the main question.
Nick Clason (00:41.915)
during
Nick Clason (00:50.235)
That's the question at hand. Yeah, I mean, we won't get into like the pizza lock-in, like social media debate. Those are, you know, those are meaningful ones in youth ministry as well, but this one in particular, yes, that's what I'd like you to argue. I hope that you came prepared for that and not like your pro lock-in debate, cause it might not fit. Real quick here at chat GPT, real quick, give me new notes. All right, are we ready?
Isaac (00:52.526)
Let's go.
Isaac (00:58.254)
Hmm.
Stephen Rose (01:10.656)
Thank
Isaac (01:11.534)
I have to change all my notes right now.
Stephen Rose (01:17.876)
Thank
Isaac (01:18.178)
Yeah, yeah, give me new notes. All right, yep, let's go.
Nick Clason (01:21.776)
Two minutes on the clock, take it away.
Isaac (01:24.654)
All right, two minutes, here we go. The key word that I'm looking at is discipleship and what does discipleship really look like? And so, and this is something that I've been kind of studying and learning about in my 17 years of youth ministry. And so I've changed and I've morphed, but I keep leaning more towards, man, let's really walk alongside these students. Here's some examples from the Bible. Jesus, he's come down, he's like, let me really pray over who I'm really going to invest in.
because he had other people that were interested in following him, but he said, no, I'm really going to invest in these 12. And he did that for three years. And then you have Paul and his relationship with Timothy, and he's being able to say things like, hey, Timothy, your grandmother, and he's naming family members and stuff, which I just don't think that you can do that in a year's time of knowing someone that you really want to get into that. So discipleship really means relationship and knowing.
How does someone come in and they're fully known and fully loved? So when you're with them longer, you know the students, you know their parents, you know the deaths that happened in their family, you know what sports they're involved in, you know the injury that set them back a few years prior. And so when they confess this thing, you go, I know the meaning behind that because I've had this relationship with you for a while.
I guess my main question that I would ask is why don't we go in and hire a new youth pastor every one year? You want a youth pastor to be there and and longevity breeds just this this trust that's that parents now have and I feel like as a youth pastor I'm trying to equip other leaders to come in and essentially be youth pastors And so I don't want to hire new youth pastors every year because I want that trust
and that relationship and that discipleship to happen. And that can only happen over a stretch of time and not hitting the reset button every single year.
Nick Clason (03:27.12)
Wow, did you rehearse that?
Isaac (03:31.49)
No.
Nick Clason (03:32.39)
Strong work, my man. Strong work. Alright, Steven. It's been laid down. Like, the challenge has been issued. Are you ready?
Stephen Rose (03:32.788)
Thank
Stephen Rose (03:42.404)
Yes, yes, I'm ready.
Nick Clason (03:43.354)
All right, and the microphone's working and the internet is streaming and yeah, yeah. All right, sweet. All right, bro, two minutes on the clock for you, Steven. Your side is you think that it's useful for students to have a variety of leaders year in, year out, or every so often. So, my friend, take it away.
Stephen Rose (03:46.548)
Internet's not crashing out right now.
Stephen Rose (04:07.504)
Awesome. Yeah, I love what you said about discipleship. Couldn't agree more. And for me, one of the things I think is so important and what we really focus on in my context is helping students own their faith by the time they graduate. And there's been like some studies done where the more, not like infinitely, but the more adults, specifically the number was around five. If you have five good relationships.
with adults who are like spiritual mentors or people that you know on at least a relatively deeper level, then you're much more likely to stick with a faith post-graduation. And I would argue that the reason for that is because their faith is hopefully being more grounded in Jesus than a specific leader. And they're rooted in Jesus. He is their firm foundation, not like an awesome leader or the youth pastor or something like that.
And so when you move, not necessarily every year, but every so often, you're just more likely to build relationships with more adults. And I view that as a huge win. And so what I like to see is them build relationships, be really intentional in the year or the two years span that they're with that leader, and then really focus on the transition so they can then build a new relationship.
with new leaders and the students stay together. So they're able to keep building those long-term relationships where they can grow alongside of each other. But the leaders can shift as far as small group goes. But the long-term relationships still stay the same. Just like a small group leader that I had when I was in eighth grade, I still got to talk to them later in later years and they still knew me and they still could pour into me and disciple me. And so the process
can keep happening even though we're still looking towards helping them meet more people and grow closer relationships with more people.
Nick Clason (06:13.38)
Right on time, my man, both of you. This might be the first time two youth pastors hit their time mark right when they're supposed to. That's crazy. All right, so what we'll do now, guess, I like this. I think we're gonna go to a more open forum, all right? So let's do two minutes, but here's the thing, just so you guys know.
Stephen Rose (06:20.041)
Hehehehehe
Nick Clason (06:40.804)
I don't need to include the clock. like if it's good and free flowing, like I'm just not going to interrupt it. Like don't, don't worry about it. I'm just trying to keep things moving and make it not be like a, you know, long and boring episode. so I'll put this on, but why don't you, why don't you guys ask some clarifying questions just like back and forth and just like answer, ask, answer, ask, answer. and then, when, when we feel satisfied with that, we'll, we'll move on to the like closing testimony or whatever, whatever they call it in the courtroom.
Stephen Rose (06:51.316)
Thank
Nick Clason (07:10.758)
I don't watch enough court TV. So, does anyone have like a question to start? Like to ask the other person? All right, great. You go first then.
Stephen Rose (07:11.092)
Sounds good.
Isaac (07:12.627)
Okay.
Stephen Rose (07:19.216)
Yeah, yeah I do.
Perfect. So Isaac, wonder in your context, if a student doesn't get, like we'll just say student doesn't get along great with a certain leader. What does that look like? Like do you go about that?
Isaac (07:40.396)
Yeah, man, that's great. Context, I think, matters a lot. So I've worked in a small church, a medium church, and a large church. So let's just talk about the numbers that I have here. It's weird to talk about that in church culture, but that helps context so much. So I have about 160 leaders. And in that, have, for sixth grade boys, we have five sixth grade boy groups.
Stephen Rose (07:45.246)
I agree.
Stephen Rose (07:55.732)
for sure.
Isaac (08:07.854)
And then each one of those groups has four leaders. And so I think that that helps so much for the person watching right now. They're like, well, this might make sense because of this. And the dynamics can shift because for you saying, hey, does a sixth grade boy, if he's if he's not enjoying this, then what? Well, he he can move to another group. He can go to one of the other four options. And that's easy. Now, when I was at a church for six and a half years and it was like
Stephen Rose (08:08.049)
Mm-hmm.
Stephen Rose (08:27.252)
Uh-huh.
Stephen Rose (08:30.675)
Right.
Isaac (08:37.59)
You have middle school boys, high school boys, middle school girls, high school girls. That's your option. Then it's like, well, what do we do when they don't like that person? And so for us in our context, it makes sense of if there's not someone getting along, there is another option in another group that they can go to.
Stephen Rose (08:44.444)
Right. I'm
Stephen Rose (08:58.772)
Sure. and
Nick Clason (09:00.39)
How do you guys, either of you, discern this is not a good fit and we need to quote unquote rescue the student from the fit? Or this is an opportunity to lean in and disciple the student to push through something more difficult and maybe getting along with their leader is like what God has for them in this season of their spiritual growth. Like how do you discern between those two? Because I feel like
Like a parent can come to you like they hate their leader and you want to like solve that so so that the kid doesn't get mad or the family doesn't leave the church or whatever. But I think sometimes it's like, dude, you need to stop being so entitled. You know what I mean? How do you how do know?
Stephen Rose (09:43.219)
Yeah, that's really good. For me, I tend toward having them stay either way because I don't want for students just to pick a leader based off of, I love this leader. I can't stand that leader, which by the way, my team is awesome. I have awesome leaders, all that. And so it's really a side point. But of course, if there was
if it was like coming to an unhealthy place, then I would say I'd be more willing to like figure it out. Especially if it was like a newer student, you know, who maybe isn't even a follower of Jesus yet. And okay, I'm trying to help them get comfortable first, help them feel accepted and have a good experience. And so that'd be a little different if it's someone I've been walking with for a while. And then, hey, it's time for you to grow up and, you know, and be...
be mature about this and grow in your maturity. I part of that is definitely not being in your favorite spot at all times.
Isaac (10:46.552)
Yeah, that's good. I think that, you know, scripture says if at all possible as far as it depends on you, live at peace with with everyone. And if there's some kind of disunity there, obviously that's what the enemy is trying to seek out and bring to light is some kind of disunity. So it's our jobs as the shepherds of that to say, well, what's causing this? And so it should start with a conversation with both student and leader and saying,
Nick Clason (10:46.587)
Good.
Stephen Rose (10:56.372)
Mm.
Isaac (11:14.926)
Why? Why is there a disunity and how can we go towards unity? What's the conversation? Maybe you just need to say some things. Let's get it out on the table. Truth is gonna be great. Let's get it out on the table. But if it becomes a thing where it's like, we're not coming here. My kid doesn't wanna show up. I'm even pro, well, there's also another church in town because...
Stephen Rose (11:29.78)
Yeah.
Isaac (11:42.742)
The gospel doesn't just happen at this address. It happens in lot of places in discipleship. And so hopefully I am then connecting with other youth pastors in the area where I can then give a trusted, hey, why don't you go over here to this church? Because this youth pastor is also going to teach the Bible. Discipleship is also happening. But I'm not nervous to, I don't want to say threatened. It's not threatened, but to give, go ahead. If you can't grow here.
Ultimately, what we are concerned about for you as a student is your growth. Go grow anywhere.
Stephen Rose (12:14.045)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (12:17.776)
Good.
Stephen Rose (12:18.238)
That's good.
Isaac (12:19.83)
Steven, got a question for you if I'm allowed to ask. Yeah, because I love what you said about having five good relationships with adults. Yes, man, let's try to, as youth pastors, bring in as many adults and as many leaders as possible in their time of being there. What does it look like in your context for how many leaders do you have in each group? Yeah, what does that look like for you?
Stephen Rose (12:21.982)
Sure.
Nick Clason (12:22.638)
Yes, yes, go.
Stephen Rose (12:39.718)
.
Stephen Rose (12:47.234)
Yeah, we have two leaders in each group. so, over time, would naturally develop relationships with multiple, I mean, hopefully, in prayerfully, you would develop relationships with your small group leaders in that time. And for us, we're, I guess, the medium church size. And so,
Like for high school, for example, we have two high school guys groups, underclassmen and upperclassmen currently. And so you would meet four of the people right then and there. And then hopefully, like even like myself and some other people, because certainly our youth ministry is not the only context which you can have a relationship with an adult. But as far as what we're trying to do, it fits that mold pretty well.
Isaac (13:30.51)
Sure, yeah.
Isaac (13:38.978)
Yeah, so when you say upperclassmen leader and, what is it called? Underclassmen? That just sounded weird. Underclassmen? That just sounds underwear. Anyhow, when you have both of the, so the upperclassmen, are you saying then that those two leaders are with them for two years?
Stephen Rose (13:46.608)
under underclassmen.
Stephen Rose (13:58.579)
Yes.
Isaac (13:59.648)
Okay, so it's kind of like a hybrid then of it's not, I'm not thinking every year it's I'm still kind of building this. I'm in this context. So it's still once because for me, I don't even know if I'm pro you should be with them for seven years. I do like the for me, three years of middle school, you get a new high school leader, because there's just a difference between high school and middle school.
Stephen Rose (14:16.923)
Mm-hmm, right.
Nick Clason (14:16.966)
Mm-hmm.
Stephen Rose (14:22.587)
Thank
Stephen Rose (14:27.586)
Right.
Isaac (14:27.84)
If there is someone that's committed for seven years, my hope is that they are bringing in dads, moms, and other people to it. Because I think that what you said is key. They need to have five adults in their life or more that where they can say, it's not just one person that believes this. It's not just their characteristics, but that in discipleship, they are inviting others to be a part of it as well. If you're going to do that seven year plan. Yeah.
Stephen Rose (14:32.35)
Thank you.
Stephen Rose (14:37.765)
So.
Right.
Stephen Rose (14:46.388)
you
Yes. Right.
Nick Clason (14:57.05)
Yeah, yeah. And I'll just say from a youth pastor logistical standpoint, you get someone to commit for seven years, that's amazing. Are they still committed to loop back down and start a sixth grade group? Going from being a 12th grade leader to a sixth grade leader is tough. And so I've been in situations where they're committed all the way through, but then I'm always having to recruit.
Stephen Rose (15:17.416)
Hey.
Nick Clason (15:24.462)
at the entry point because no one wants to loop back down. They feel like they've quote unquote done their time and they want to be involved in student ministry, but then they want to be involved in more of like a consulting role or a coaching role. And it's like, I love that for you, but I really could use a sixth grade leader, my friend. And so that's been, that's been my experience when they loop all the way through as we, we pool all the way down at the end of the quote unquote conveyor belt, if you will. And I got some really great leaders who aren't doing ministry anymore, but if you're doing
Stephen Rose (15:30.42)
That's how you do it. Okay.
Stephen Rose (15:53.716)
What am I? You just answered about the full seven years or if it's more of a middle school to high school, because I'm I agree. I'm a little less.
Nick Clason (15:54.694)
Like if you're like, yo, you're the underclassmen leader and you're just going to be an expert in ninth and 10th grade. Like, and then you'll see every kid's face, hopefully as they, as they loop through. Um, it's just, it's just the way I think about it.
Isaac (16:08.684)
Yeah, I love that. Steven, did you have any other questions?
Stephen Rose (16:23.832)
cause I can see there's definitely real positives in doing both ways. And, but the seven years is the one where I really, I don't want to say worry, but for lack of a better word, worry about like a students attaching to a certain leader and, that, is a good thing. but especially if they're, if they're not a part of the church at large, like the whole church body, and they're just attached to youth group and just attached to the leader. I just saw so many examples before I even got in youth ministry.
And then those kids, the leader's gone, they're done with youth ministry and they're they're toast. know, they just kind of walk away. And so I guess it was really just on my heart to like, I don't want to see like that happen. And I know there's other intentional ways of working against that too. But that was just really like on my heart.
Isaac (17:12.408)
Yeah, yeah, I would. Here's I mean, Nick, you kind of set us up. You're like, haha, caught you. You're in a trap coming debate this. And so I'm going to I'm going to, you know, share. The perspective of everyone wins, I guess, because here's what I would rather see if this is a would you rather question of would you rather have one leader who intentionally disciples a student for one year or have a leader that walks alongside?
Stephen Rose (17:20.83)
But.
Isaac (17:41.448)
and invest in a student for seven years, I would say give me the one year intentionally disciple. Because so often we recruit leaders that they won't say, I'm just a babysitter. They're not going to say that. We're not going to say that. But if you're like, we're just hanging out, I'm going to their games and they're doing some good things, but they're not intentionally discipling, we're still missing out. And so I would say that the key thing for me is find the leader that's going to disciple.
Stephen Rose (17:46.484)
Yeah.
Isaac (18:09.998)
Which means that they are really getting in and saying do you know Jesus? What is he teaching you? Are you opening up the Word of God? Are you praying? Are you building a community around you? Where are you serving? How's your evangelism life? And they're really working out all of these disciplines And it's more than just let me show up to your play Let me high-five and we'll go get coffee together because you can just hang out But you're not just being friends. You're intentionally discipling so
Nick Clason (18:25.51)
.
Stephen Rose (18:30.04)
Right.
Nick Clason (18:33.03)
you
Isaac (18:37.986)
Give me the one year intentional disciple.
Nick Clason (18:38.34)
Yeah.
Stephen Rose (18:39.572)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Nick Clason (18:42.166)
That's good. That's good for youth pastors. That's good for Like that's good for this whole conversation. Just like having like a well-rounded perspective of it. It's bad for Trying to elicit emotion and you guys like hating each other. So Way to be a Christian way to ruin YouTube, but no, I agree and
Isaac (19:03.661)
Yeah, yeah. And he's a Cavs fan. Yeah, this is great. We love each other. We're best friends now. Thank you, Nick.
Stephen Rose (19:07.704)
Hey, I know
Nick Clason (19:09.51)
Yeah, you're so welcome. Congratulations. Yeah. Well, let's do like your final statement, right? We'll just do a minute on the clock or less. Just give like your final word, kind of like put a bow on it. And then, yeah, then I guess we'll take it from there. So who went first last time? I think it was Isaac, right? So Steven, we'll have you minute on the clock, finalize your argument. You ready? All right, let's go.
Stephen Rose (19:36.663)
Yep.
All right, so I believe that transitioning through different small groups is best for students because they get to build multiple relationships with adults, which helps them own their faith, not just the youth's faith or my faith or their leader's faith, but their faith in Jesus. And so I think it's best to move them through. And then I also, as a side note, I think it can create a spot for leaders to star in their roles where, hey, if I'm always with freshmen girls,
then I'm gonna be able to really get good at welcoming them. Or if I'm always with the senior and junior guys, I'm gonna get really good at helping them through this transition as they get older, as their problems change. But they kinda are the same perpetually for new juniors, new seniors. And so they get to start starring in their roles as they get year after year of experience with them.
Nick Clason (20:36.282)
Nice, good job. All right, Isaac, one minute on the clock. Take it away.
Isaac (20:43.66)
Awesome. Quantity will produce quality. The more that you're hanging out with someone, the better the conversations. And so getting someone there for a length of time, it's just going to produce the quality that we're looking for. It avoids the six months, like, do I actually know this person? Can I make that inside joke? I accidentally said something about their parents or
Stephen Rose (21:07.284)
You you
Isaac (21:12.498)
Whatever all their life story the more opportunity that you have with their story the more that they can feel Fully known fully seen and fully loved which really I think just shows grace more discipleship more and and what Jesus was Really trying to aim for when he said this is what a disciple maker
Nick Clason (21:38.15)
Nice, strong work, both of you.
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March 19 Episode 193: The Student Ministry Leadership Mistakes I Made My First 6 Months
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Six months into leading this
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team, I realized
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something uncomfortable.
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You can be good at ministry, but that is not automatically mean you're good at leading people.
00;00;12;03 - 00;00;15;27
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In this video, I want to share with you the mistakes I've made in my first
00;00;15;29 - 00;00;23;21
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six months in leadership, in the new position that I have and some things that I would definitely be doing differently.
00;00;23;23 - 00;00;27;04
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Welcome, everybody, to the hybrid ministry show.
00;00;27;07 - 00;00;43;19
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Well hey everyone, welcome to the Hybrid Ministry Show. If you and I have had a chance to meet you. My name is Nick Clason and in this podcast exists primarily to talk about digital ministry and making discipleship online a little bit easier. But in this episode, I want to talk about a major shift that's actually happened in my life.
00;00;43;19 - 00;01;10;27
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And this might actually be one of the more emotional or even like real episodes because, I moved here three years ago to work for a guy who one of my great friends, his name is Darren, and he was an amazing boss, best boss I ever had. Now, listen, let's be honest. There's always times where I felt like I could do something better or different, but I had really learned to love and kind of settle into my role, getting things done and being a worker, for him.
00;01;10;27 - 00;01;26;25
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And, the one of the things I loved about Darren, too, is that he believed in me and he trusted me, and he gave me a lot of leash to make major student ministry decisions. And so I didn't feel like I was just his right. Him or his minion. But I really felt like I got a good opportunity at leadership.
00;01;26;27 - 00;01;51;06
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Fast forward to about six months ago. He chose to step away and move to a different church. And in that transition, church very like, honorably and lovingly came to me and said, you're our number one choice. You're our guy. You want his job. And it was like a no brainer. I was like, absolutely. And in the time, you know, you got to understand, he had been doing a second job at our church, as the pastor of staff development.
00;01;51;06 - 00;02;07;12
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And so during that season, I assumed and took on quite a bit of leadership opportunities. And so I figured this wouldn't be that big a deal. All that was really going to happen was I was going to move to his old office. And then I was just going to keep kind of doing what I was doing. But man, oh man, was I wrong.
00;02;07;12 - 00;02;30;03
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Man was there. So, so many changes and so many differences. Assuming that new leadership hat and that new leadership seat. And in this episode, I want to talk through three things that I've learned. What I thought, what happened, what I did, and what the actual, learning is out of that. So let's dive in to the first leadership mistake.
00;02;30;05 - 00;02;53;27
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So mistake number one is that the time battle was lost. But in a lot of cases for me, the time battle was lost by someone else. Here's what I thought. I thought I'm the boss. I'm the supervisor. I'm the manager. Now I get to not only make the decisions, but I get to help oversee people and point them in the right direction and in some cases, in the ugliest parts of my heart, I get to tell them what to do.
00;02;53;29 - 00;03;14;11
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But here's what happened is that I was expecting to still do all of the same work that I was doing before, or all of the same work that was at least desired by me to do before. For example, continuing on this Side Hustle podcast that I don't get a lot of revenue or money from. But, you know, one way that you could really help hit that like or subscribe button down below that would really make a huge difference.
00;03;14;11 - 00;03;39;26
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But well, then adding in anywhere from 5 to 8 new meetings per month. Let me just give you an example. Last week, I was expected to sit down with a future potential residency candidate. I had done that before. That wasn't that big a deal. Darren gave me a lot of opportunities to do stuff like that, and I was getting ready to leave town that day and so my day was mapped out.
00;03;39;26 - 00;04;01;25
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I was doing some podcast stuff. I was doing some, social media stuff for our, our ministry. And I had a couple meetings to kind of in my day at like one, 1 to 2 and then 2 to 3. And then, someone said, hey, we have to have a recap meeting for this big winter retreat event that you just had.
00;04;01;28 - 00;04;18;02
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We had already had a meeting. Me and the person in the meeting had already discussed it, but like, well, no, we have to have it in this way with these people. And so I was like, well, if we want to have it before I leave town, we got to do it now. So another meeting gets stacked on to the end of my day.
00;04;18;02 - 00;04;38;15
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And I'm not a big meeting guy like I don't, I don't mind them, but they don't bring me a lot of energy. I would rather do the work decided in the meeting, then have a meeting where we sit down and think and talk about work. And so what I've learned is that the promotion often just means that more people have certain demands on my time.
00;04;38;17 - 00;05;03;03
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And so the advice I would give if you've never checked it out, check out Time boss. It was created by a guy named Andrew, and Andrew actually used to be on staff over at Download Youth Ministry, but now he stepped away from do. I am to go work on time boss full time? And I'm not joking when I tell you that when I implement and institute the principles that I've learned from time boss, I am an absolute master of my time.
00;05;03;03 - 00;05;30;02
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Especially when you're in a situation like I'm in now, where other people are dictating my calendar and other people are telling me meetings that I have to go to, that I don't get to say to, avoid or not be part of. And so if you choose to manage your time, then when other people step in and give you, give you required meetings, you can either let them manage your time or you can manage your time before they come to you.
00;05;30;02 - 00;05;55;12
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The choice is yours. But that's one of the things I've had to become a master and a boss of my time. Mistake number two is that you can't communicate without communicating. I feel like my wife right in this new season of life, because what I thought was that when I communicated something, people understood the full picture of what I was saying.
00;05;55;15 - 00;06;20;05
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But what I've learned is that people can't actually read my mind. I can communicate, but just because I've said words doesn't mean that they're understanding it. The exact same way that I'm thinking that they're understanding it. And so people did, in fact, not read my mind. Like, let me give you an example. I delegated a task where I required us to get three clips out of opus AI, which is an amazing tool for your social media.
00;06;20;05 - 00;06;45;09
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You can check out the link down below if you're interested in that. It literally saves me and our team hundreds of hours a week, but, I would save three opus clips per week out of each of our messages. Well, when I ask someone to do opus clips, they started saving two instead of three. Small miscommunication, but one that I then had a decision to make when I went and I noticed that there weren't enough.
00;06;45;11 - 00;07;04;03
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Do I say something or do I let it go right? Or hey, this is the what the expected, word count needs to be when you get in front of a camera and when they come in and there's more words than what were expected, I had to say, well, here's why the word count matters from time standpoint on YouTube and all these types of things.
00;07;04;06 - 00;07;24;13
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Or when I said, hey, I like all of these events to be planned during the day and I come back. And my team had made one event planned to be happening at night in the evening. Again, not a big deal, but we just had to come around and I had said something and they didn't think it was that big of a deal, or they didn't listen to it, or they chose to override it or whatever the reason might be.
00;07;24;15 - 00;07;42;10
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Or when I said, hey, let's get some hot chocolate for this event. And I go to the back and I see, my resident, my intern making hot chocolate, using the hot water from a small tea kettle, trying to fill up in a five gallon, water jug, bucket. Like, that's just not going to cut it. It's not fast enough.
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And there's a million other ways to get to it. But so when I said make hot chocolate, I thought this was the assumed path to make hot chocolate in our youth ministry, at our church, in our space, they heard make hot chocolate. And to their credit, they were resourceful to figure out a way to do it. But to their disadvantage, they were using some of those incredibly slow and the event had already started and they were stuck in the back, still making hot chocolate because the tea kettle wasn't keeping up.
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What I've learned is that I have to over communicate, and when I think I've communicated 100% of it, I've maybe only effectively communicated 60% of it. I was talking to a friend of mine. He's, youth volunteer for me. He owns his own business. And I was talking to him about this, and he said, this happens to me all the time.
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And so it made me really frustrated, to be completely honest, because I would say things, I would communicate things. I'd write them down and put them in tasks. And only a certain percentage of the task was getting completed or adhered to or listened to. And he just said, this is a very normal thing with people who are working for you.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So my advice, especially to myself and to you, I'm a perfectionist. I'm an Enneagram one. Don't expect perfection. Be able to roll with the punches and continue to circle back and Overcommunicate and overcommunicate. Mistake number three and this one might be the toughest one, honestly, is that I feel like I lost some of my passion for youth ministry.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here's what I thought. I thought, I'm going to step into this new role, and I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. And while I'm doing what I'm doing, and now I get to be in charge, how great is that? What happened was I shifted from more of a doer of the ministry to more of a manager.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So last fall, for example, I had fully handed off programing to one of my associates who's in charge of all programing, like service orders, all that type of stuff. And then another, couple people on our team were in charge of a Friendsgiving for, the community like, outreach event drive, like a canned food drive kind of thing that we're, pulling together in our student ministry.
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And then one person was in charge of the Friendsgiving event that we had, and they had two of them collaborate and work together. And then two other people were in charge of our costume party. And so I remember stepping back and thinking to myself, the only thing I'm doing here is managing these people. They're the ones that are like fully running, planning, executing and making these events all have traction getting off the ground.
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And you know, everything that needed to happen in these event spaces. And I found myself like a little bit sitting around kind of like twiddling my thumbs, like, what am I supposed to do? Well, I learned is I and I already knew this about myself, but what I learned was I found myself in my working frustration. As Patrick Clancy only talks about it.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
He has a working widget with six different wheels, and I determined and discovered that my strength was invention and tenacity, and I knew that my frustration was enablement and galvanizing. So kind of rah rah and cheerleading. The team and helping make them, like, get excited around an idea. And so I had shifted out of my strength invention one like creating something out of wonder and tenacity, bringing that invention across the finish line, and then handing that over to my team and trying to encourage them to bring it across the finish line.
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And when they're having a tough time getting across the finish line, they're having a tough time articulating their ideas. I was also having an equally tough time because I couldn't. I was feeling like I wasn't successfully getting those things accomplished and across the finish line. So the advice I took something back that I loved. I took back programing.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I was like, I need to do something in this job where I get to invent and I get to take it across the finish line, because if not, I'm just going to sit here and I'm just going to watch all of you guys do it. Part of my job is development, and I don't mind it, but it does shift me away from a passion point into something that I don't get to do as much.
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And I felt really bad and I felt really guilty for doing it. But, I mean, here's the thing. Like, I love programing and I love creating something. In fact, I love it so much. I have a podcast dedicated to creative programing. It's a weekly bonus podcast, and I just walk you through what our youth ministry does every single week.
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I'd love for you to take a look at it. There's a seven day free trial link down below. It's called Hybrid Heroes. It's part of Patreon membership tier and you get a weekly bonus podcast every single Monday morning that details, recaps, and outlines our last week of social media and our last week of creative programing. In addition to that, everything I put on my store, that costs money.
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It costs money to other people, but it's free to hybrid here. So $4 a month is less than the cost of a cup of coffee. It's $48 per year. If you have like a professional, or personal development budget line. Like you can charge to that if you don't feel comfortable doing that. I don't have enough money for that.
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Get one cup of coffee from your office, from home, and then skip Starbucks for just one time, and it will cover the cost of that. But that's what I did. And I'm just going to be completely honest for you. This last season has been a really hard season for me. I was confused by it because I thought I knew what I was doing.
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I've been in youth ministry for a long time already. But growth doesn't happen when you're coasting, right? And no matter what you're doing and no matter what area you're growing in and learning in, whether it's growing in management skills like I am or whether it's trying to grow in areas like social media, when you put yourself in uncomfortable situations, it can feel difficult, right?
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But the only way to get to the other side, the only way to truly experience growth, is to go through it. So stick with it. Rooting you on, encouraging you. Don't forget my friends and as always, stay hybrid.
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Act 1 - The Problem
02:40 Act 2 - The Analytics - How it REALLY works
07:44 Act 3 - The Hybrid Framework
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17:13 Microphones & Cameras
23:35 Software Recommendations
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TRANSCRIPT
00:00:00:00 - 00:00:13:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
As a person on church ministry, you have a slew of responsibility. You need to be a shepherd. You need to be an administrator. You need to be an evangelist. You need to be a disciple maker. And sometimes you need
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to be a social media strategist.
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Listen,
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you know this.
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Not everyone can be good at everything.
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just recently,
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someone in the DYM
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Facebook group asked like social media gurus, where are you at? I want to start up ticking my engagement
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I probably see that question
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once a month
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just like you get curriculum to help you teach, just like you get
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calendar apps to help you stay organized, and you have
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books to help you learn.
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With so many different tools on the market, how do you know what you can actually trust? You know,
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I've been leading a youth ministry leader cohort, specifically down a deep dive topic of hybrid ministry, and at the beginning
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of the cohort, it's an eight week experience at the beginning. I have people map out the next month of social media content, and every week when we circle back, we evaluate how did the last week go?
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And without fail, they say I had my plans or the plans laid out, but I didn't do it because
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a meeting came up. Because this thing happened, because I got busy, because the weather canceled our services and I was focused and forced to do other things responsibility wise. You see, whatever the reason is why social media falls by the wayside,
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it's not a priority.
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Leadership doesn't see the value of it. You're not creative enough. You need something to help. You need a strategy. And that's what this episode is. This is the mega episode. I've done you a favor,
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in the next several sections of this video, I'm going to share with you
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the analytics behind my hybrid ministry strategy and my seasonal social Media pack, which is now available and active for the spring season over on Patreon.
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So make sure that you go take a look at that. If there's something that you're interested in.
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And then in act number three, we're going to share with you the hybrid ministry framework. And act number four, I'm going to share with you the execution layer. How do you actually pull this thing together?
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What gear what software do you need. Act number five is going to be the vision layer. Where can this go if you really choose to double down on it. And then act number six, I'm just going to share with you different ways that I can help along the way. And here's the good news. I've actually shared all of this before.
00:02:22:11 - 00:02:44:11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you're new here, or if you don't want to go through all the various episodes I have, this is almost going to be like a clip show. I have done the hard work of combing through nearly 200 hybrid Ministry episodes to share with you each of these different sections. So we're going to dive in. Let's look first here at the analytics and what's going on behind the scenes.
00:02:44:13 - 00:03:00:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You know, when I released my winter season on Social Media pack, I did a vlog style video where I was at a conference that my my church was hosting. I was hosting it. I was like a stage host for the week, and I wanted to prove that I could post my pack in less than 16 minutes of total time.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Over the course of the week, though, in my pack, I propose you post three times a week. I posted eight times during that week. Every single piece of content that I include in my seasonal social media pack. Spoiler I didn't meet the challenge, but I did learn something valuable and it's that my pack can actually stand up to some of the stressors of everyday life.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
My pack was the schedule, and all I had to do was look at the schedule. It told me exactly what I was most post. I posted it and not less than 16 minutes, but however, I was able to do it in less than 20 minutes. And this right here is the analytic and the deep dive from that week of posting.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now I have all different seasons and I just released spring, which means now we're also able to offer a full year of custom and DIY seasonal social media.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So if you want to look at the four season bundle pack for the entire year of social media, go check it out. But what I'm trying to do in my pack is I'm trying to make you and your church the hero.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Not just a bunch of standard graphics that every church, any church can post, but graphics that. Yeah, we'll have some of that, but also videos with you and your people, and I'll train you and give you scripts and, and give you video and graphic overlays that you can put on top of videos that you record. Because 90% of the internet's traffic is short form, vertical based video.
00:04:19:22 - 00:04:37:01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so I took that concept, the one that I sell to you and sell to all you pastors, church communications, people all around the world that I stand behind. And I put it to the test, and here were my results from the week. And and it's nothing crazy. We didn't go viral. We didn't get famous off of it.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
In some cases. We had some really low views. In other cases we had some really high views. So I want to share with you the highest view from the week. I want to share with you the lowest view from the week. I want to share with you a comment from a post that happened during that week, as well as the one the post that got the most amount of likes.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I'm going to do that across three different platforms of TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. So if you're watching here on YouTube right now, you'll see this graph up here on screen. But the video with the highest views on TikTok was only 235 on our verse Bible verse video 235 views on TikTok. Our lowest one was our transition style video.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It only had 38 views over there on TikTok. A comment we got zero comments during the week on TikTok when I did this. And see, that's the that's the the truth. That's the hard and crass reality. Sometimes that's what happens. We also did get 37 likes on our first video. So that video did did do the best on TikTok.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now let's switch over to Instagram. I got 471 devotional views on our Devo video, the one that I, the script, I wrote the script, then I copied the script verbatim and I hadn't looked at it in like three months. So I was basically going in code, which is very similar to what you would also be doing if you were to grab my pack and implement it in your own context.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We had, 243 views. I was the lowest on our verse post on Instagram. So interestingly, it was our lowest on Instagram was higher than our highest on TikTok. Comments on the Devo we had two different people that left a comment on our on my devotional thing, and I asked for some sort of, hey, leave a leave this emoji in the comments if you need this.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And two people did that and then the highest likes was 17 on that same devotional video. And then over on YouTube, check this one out. We had 1081 views on the transition video. We had a comment, I'm sorry, we had 23, our lowest on the verse post on YouTube and then, on the Bible trivia post on YouTube.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Someone said, I didn't know that, that I didn't know the answer to that last one. Not a chance. That was fun though. Good job. And then we had 28 likes on said Bible trivia. And here's just a couple of things I find interesting.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The verse post did amazing on TikTok and it struggled on the other two, right? Each platform had a different, higher performer, the verse followed by the diva on Instagram, followed by the transition video on YouTube.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Right. A couple of things. At one point I actually had to reedit and repost some of these because I had made mistakes. But somehow my posted man on the street video, I did it without even sound. The first time around, my Wi-Fi was lagging. It's slowed me down. And right when I was getting ready to hit record at one point, I had to run across the creek to grab my SD card.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
See, even I, the creator of the seasonal social media pack, I ran into the same potential obstacles that you might, and my summary and all that is that that week was far from perfect. But what I did do is I showed up regularly, and when I got busy and I didn't have what I needed to do, I could look back at my calendar and my seasonal social media pack told me exactly what I should do.
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And so that's the purpose
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of this thing. It is a seasonal social media pack that's more than just static graphics. That helps you develop a team, a volunteer social media, team students, whatever to hand something off to. And it's for the less than the cost of a couple cups of coffee for the month. So now let's move into act three, and this is where we're going to share some best of clips from the Hybrid Ministry show.
00:08:06:09 - 00:08:09:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm going to share with you the Hybrid Ministry Framework.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
There are kind of three core statistics. There's Gen Z, Gen Alpha. They use their mobile device more than they use any other device combined. Furthermore, 69% of students own a smartphone. But I get this the age of 12, 90%. According to Pew Research use YouTube. But there's a verse in Jeremiah chapter 29 Nov nine 2911. But right before that verse, Jeremiah is having a conversation with God.
00:08:39:04 - 00:09:08:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here's what God says to Jeremiah. He says you should build homes, planned to stay, plant gardens, eat the foods that they produce, marry and have children, then find spouses for them so that you may have many grandchildren. Multiply. Do not dwindle away, but you gotta understand the context here, which we don't do for Jeremiah 2011 very often, is that the Israelites are stuck as captives in Babylon, and what God is telling Jeremiah to do is he's saying, stop complaining.
00:09:08:22 - 00:09:35:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Stop trying to find a way out. Stop trying to leave. Instead, invest in where you live and digital ministry is not going anywhere. You may not like it. You may not even think it's the most effective. But the majority of millennials, Gen Z, and we can assume Generation Alpha, say that a digital version of church is valuable to them and one that they would lean into, and it doesn't mean that their in-person attendance is going to go away.
00:09:35:13 - 00:09:54:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That's a lot of the fears of us in church leadership is that if we offer a digital component, I'm just going to choose that instead of, coming to church in person, but far from it. We're also seeing in this generation, more than even older generations, that community is so much more important to them. So they don't want to forsake the in-person moments.
00:09:54:00 - 00:10:20:07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so when we take the in-person moments and the best that it has to offer, when we take the digital things and the best it has to offer, and we find that sweet spot right in the middle, we find what I call hybrid ministry. A great example of it is honestly, Home Depot. And think about it like you throw on your new balances and you throw on your cargo shorts on on a Saturday morning, you got a project, and then you go on Home Depot and you don't really have like a agenda, right?
00:10:20:07 - 00:10:40:00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You're just walking around and you're just kind of like you're taking in the smell of lumber and you're just you're just kind of exploring what the hallways and the aisles of Home Depot have to offer. Other times. And then, like, you don't have time, right? You go online, you make an order so that it's delivered to your doorstep because you don't have time to just live out your full dad mode experience.
00:10:40:07 - 00:11:11:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But my favorite honestly version to experience Home Depot is while I'm in the store on their app because their app. If you haven't seen it yet, their app shows you where every single thing in their entire store is located. And so that's what I think we should be doing as youth pastors. Finding a way to intersect where teenagers already admitted they're spending their time, not forsaking the good elements of gathering together and community and accountability and all those things, but also leaning into this hybrid sort of moment.
00:11:12:00 - 00:11:35:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so what I want to do is I want to give you one of the easiest ways to kind of to kind of step foot into this hybrid space. And it's by up picking your social media engagement. Now, here's the thing. A lot of youth pastors, and if you've been following me along on this channel for a while, posts announcements on their feed, just assuming that social media is another announcement platform.
00:11:35:19 - 00:11:57:07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But the reality is that that's not what social media is best made for it. But what it does mean, and what we should be doing, is that we should be intersecting and invading the lives of students on the places that they spend their time, including TikTok, Instagram and YouTube. Remember, 90% teenagers say that they use YouTube in the way that they're consuming it.
00:11:57:12 - 00:12:19:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
for you and for me and for all of us. Like, my, like, general strategy is simply, walking down a funnel of posting short form content, silly content, as well as spiritual content, and hopefully gathering an audience with that and then pushing them to, like a long form version of some more serious content, which is what we do in our youth ministry.
00:12:19:24 - 00:12:48:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We pre film our messages and we adapt them and make them specific for YouTube. You know, we do that versus like a live stream type of thing. As Carrie New study said. This said the challenge is the future is to diversify what you offer online and distinguish it from what you offer in person. So not only is that going to create true options, new love continues on to say, but it will deepen engagement as your in-person and online ministries lean towards what each does best.
00:12:48:13 - 00:13:05:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then, beyond. Just like your message content, beyond your weekly sermon, so to speak, that are also going to live online, whether that's live stream, which I would argue is not as good as a pre filmed version, but it's still better than than nothing. You can also lean into things like courses and those types of things.
00:13:06:01 - 00:13:19:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Exactly. Should you be posting? I'm glad you guys have three steps for everyone and their social media is is, three steps. Social media checklist. Step number one is make sure that your website is up to date.
00:13:19:18 - 00:13:51:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
When you take away social as an avenue for announcements, or when you reduce your amount of stage announcements. There still has to be a full bodied, one stop, robust shop for your church people to fall to. And that also makes what I'm going to recommend here on social, which is the second step here. The second step is you kind of want to become enamored with short reels, TikTok style videos, because when your website is good, you don't have to worry about the information.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So now you can leave that behind and you can now move ahead towards the era that social is really made for and meant for. And according to video, 90% of the internet's traffic is found on short form vertical based video because every other platform then was trying to catch up and keep up with this brand new one called TikTok shorts, reels, Facebook has them, Instagram has, YouTube has them and even other like places like, Twitter.
00:14:24:11 - 00:14:50:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you're even on there, it'll it'll be on a video, you'll be watching it again. It'll auto scroll to the next one. First of all, it's video based and it's short and it's quippy and it's fun. But secondly, like I said earlier, it's the discovery era. If you jump on Reels on Instagram, if you jump on your TikTok for you page more than I think 90% of the I believe that's the stat of the videos that you're served are from people that you've never actually even met.
00:14:50:22 - 00:15:17:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so that's good news for you and I. As churches and youth ministries, we can get on to other people's for you pages without buying their attention or without having them have to follow or subscribe or or know about our channel. The key is producing good content. And so step one website. Step two start focusing on good shorts, which is why I've created down below my hybrid strategy guide.
00:15:17:21 - 00:15:29:15
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It will not only lay out my plan and what I do in my student ministry, but it will also give you different ideas and types of content that you can use for your social media.
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Hey, real fast. Don't click away. Listen, a couple of months ago, I was running a conference at my church, and I decided that I wanted to see if, while I was in the throes of the busiest week on my calendar to date in the year of 2025, if my seasonal social media pack could have what it takes to actually carry me through and not make it more labor intensive for me to actually keep social media running, but to make it easier on me.
00:15:55:14 - 00:16:26:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And here, here's what I found out. Imagine it's six minutes per week. Have your entire social media strategy done for you. I mean, think about it like three months of youth ministry content for just $0.23 a minute. Some weeks it takes me seven, other weeks it takes me five. But the point is, and especially at the end of this, as I was sitting in my youth ministry leader cohort, everyone said time management and scheduling was the issue with staying consistent on social.
00:16:26:20 - 00:16:43:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So my recommendation would be take my pack, let it be the the basics of what you do. And if you do get busy, if something else comes up, you have something to fall back. And then when you do have the creative energy to create something more custom and more elaborate, scrap one of mine and put one of your own in there.
00:16:43:22 - 00:16:47:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But mine will at least keep you moving in the right direction.
00:16:47:27 - 00:17:12:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So that's the big picture. That's the strategy. That's the philosophy. Now let's move in here to act four. This is how to do it. It's going to be gear guides and microphone guides and links. And this is going to get a little bit a little bit down in the weeds if you already know those things, softwares and gear and phones and what you need, I'll encourage you to skip past that over to act number five, which is where hybrid ministry can actually take you in the vision layer.
00:17:12:19 - 00:17:45:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you take my seasonal summer social media pack, which is less than $20, and you download it, you'll realize that as I'm hoping to help youth pastors create custom content that it's going to require at some points in time, a microphone. And what I want to do in this video is I want to show you all of the different array of options that you can use all the way from like budget microphones to the most expensive Cadillac style microphones to these mid tier podcast, but really cool and vibey looking microphones that your students are going to love.
00:17:45:16 - 00:18:08:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Because in this episode, we're going to answer the question which mics you use for the content that you're creating in your youth ministry? Welcome, my friends, to the Hybrid Ministry Show. What's up everybody? Welcome to the Hybrid Ministry show. You and I haven't had a chance to meet yet. My name is Nick Klassen, and we're gonna explore microphones and they're really important because actually, right now, this exact audio is coming.
00:18:08:27 - 00:18:37:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Me talking directly to my camera on the other side of the room. You can see that so far, of all the audios you heard is the worst style of audio. And we're going to go through budget options as well as all the way up to the most expensive style of options. And you'll notice if you follow my hybrid ministry social media recommendations, that it's going to require you filming some of your own custom content, and that's going to require you to want to have a microphone, because this audio right here is just not doing it.
00:18:37:16 - 00:19:06:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So first we're going to look at budget audio. This is my budget audio recommendation. It's one of these Bluetooth style microphones. They are really cheap. They clip on. They are wireless which is nice. And they plug directly in to your phone. You can get these for less than $10. And at a minimum, what this does is the requirement for decent microphone audio is you just want to isolate the audio source away from the video source.
00:19:06:10 - 00:19:33:24
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now this one records directly into the actual video files. So you you like your video and your audio will be immediately linked up, which is good news. But I would say this one here, we're going to call this like the student ministry volunteer microphones. So this one right here is actually one of my newest recommendations. It's the Rode Wireless go to not because I've been against it, but because it's just brand new.
00:19:33:24 - 00:19:59:27
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I just got it and so right now I'm actually talking direct into my cell phone camera. And right now I'm talking direct into my Sony ZV one camera, which that, camera is actually also linked down below in the link included in the description. I will call this one like the church intern of microphones, but it's a church intern that actually reads commentaries.
00:20:00:00 - 00:20:24:12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This pro level microphone is the Sennheiser lavalier system. It is the senior pastor of microphones. It's buttoned up, it's expensive, it's intimidating, and it's very, very serious about what the job needs to be. It is wireless. So you see, I have a pack that I have right here in my pocket. And this wire that's just like clipped on.
00:20:24:12 - 00:20:48:05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Then here through my shirt. And then I have a receiver over there on my focus. Right. So this one does require an audio interface and it's not recording directly onto any of the video. So you need to record this separately. You can use something like GarageBand or we use like Adobe Audition. But then you have to link this audio up with the audio from the camera.
00:20:48:07 - 00:21:13:25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This microphone right here is the Sennheiser M-k 600. I would call this one if the last one was the senior pastor of microphones. This one is the executive pastor of microphones. It you know, it knows where to aim. And it's going to hit every single time. But you also better know what you're doing. So the pros and cons of this are you do not need pro as you don't need a wireless interface.
00:21:13:25 - 00:21:35:18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I am plugged directly into my Sony camera. A can of course, is you will probably need some sort of adapter as this goes through an audio like one eighth cable inch headphone jack. And so you're going to need some sort of adapter, probably a microphone to usb-C or to lightning to go directly into your phone. The other con, of course, is it's wired okay.
00:21:35:18 - 00:21:53:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so like you're going to need, to have like an XLR cable. It's like what you would use for your worship, music or worship department. But you can see some of the pros of it. We'll use this a lot. We've used this almost exclusively, on our man on the Street videos. And so we've bought this, like, microphone flag with, like, our church branded logo in it.
00:21:53:22 - 00:22:14:26
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's also battery powered with just double A batteries. And so that's easier than trying to remember to plug in something that's like, usb-C or like rechargeable in that way. And here we are back where we started. And these right here are the, podcast style microphones. There's once again, a link down below in the show notes. You can check these out.
00:22:14:29 - 00:22:39:02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
These microphones are kind of like the youth pastor of microphones. They are professional. They're paid. They're full time. Hopefully you're full time and they're cool looking or like try hard, cool looking. Maybe you're giving it too much. But the fact of the matter is, these much, much to the opposite of the shotgun microphones before I catch almost zero sound bleed.
00:22:39:02 - 00:22:58:11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so for most of our like, we do drafts and we do seven questions here in this room for most of these videos, these microphones do a fantastic job of picking up the audio of the students that are talking directly into it. Not to mention it cuts out some of the exterior wall noise that we were talking about in the last section and in the last clip.
00:22:58:17 - 00:23:17:14
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The cons of these, however, are they once again, they're XLR, so you are going to need like a music microphone. And oftentimes we use two of these. So you're going to need at least a two channel audio interface. We use the focus rate. Scarlett. I et you can check that out once again. Link down below for that in the show notes.
00:23:17:16 - 00:23:34:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The con of that of course, is that is going to be an upgraded and an additional cost. And so you'll just have to figure out between this one or the Bluetooth wireless or the Rode Go Wireless two, or the condenser microphone or the lavalier microphone. What microphone is best for you?
00:23:35:00 - 00:23:54:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right. What about software? If everything that we're promoting you to do is short form, vertical based video, then, you know you're going to have to use and utilize some software. So this isn't a best of clip. This is actually brand new. And, as you're looking here on screen, you might be wondering where these came from.
00:23:54:21 - 00:24:28:21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
This is from my youth ministry leader cohort, that I'm leading deep dive. These are my, suggestions. So the top tier of suggestions are the Adobe Creative Suite, which includes Adobe Premiere Pro, Final Cut Pro, and DaVinci resolve. And those are listed in order of probably, power as well as price. I will put all three of these on the same plane, though, like, you can pretty much do everything in Final Cut or Da Vinci that you would also do in the Adobe Creative Cloud.
00:24:28:21 - 00:24:51:06
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so depending on where you're at budget wise, these are the ones that I would recommend. If you have an appetite to learn something that's a little bit more professional and a little bit more powerful, but moving on to the next tier are three different options. I have cap cut, I have in-app editors, and then I have just, the run of the mill iMovie or Windows Movie Maker.
00:24:51:06 - 00:25:09:08
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So cap cut, of course, there's a web app and there's also an app for your phone. You can use either of them. And there is a pro version, so you can upgrade a little bit to pay if I'm doing something just quick and short. My favorite editor is either the Instagram Reels, but my real favorite editor is the TikTok editor and then TikTok.
00:25:09:15 - 00:25:28:29
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
When you save it, it auto saves a copy of it to your camera roll unless you turn that off in the settings. And so if you're posting to, say, Instagram or YouTube, you go to TikTok first, you edit whatever you want to edit, put whatever captions on you want to put on, and then you post it. And then if you go to the other apps after that, it'll be sitting there in your camera roll.
00:25:29:01 - 00:25:47:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then, iMovie or Windows Movie Maker is probably the bottom of the barrel, but it's also probably free for whatever machine you have, whether you're a mac or windows user. Let me also say another thing. If you have some sort of long form version of your clip, a live stream, or you sit down ahead of time, film, direct camera, opus clip.
00:25:47:20 - 00:26:10:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you look here, you'll see on my feed all of these ones that are circle, this is my student ministries feed. All of these ones that are circled were all edited by opus clip. I post three of them per week. And so in the seasonal social media pack I recommend a devotional clip. But if you have some sort of long form version of your message that you can upload into a service like opus clip, and if you just scan this QR code that you see here on screen, you can go check out Opus Clip.
00:26:10:20 - 00:26:25:29
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's free for a while, and then you have a certain number of credits, and when it runs out, then it's an upgrade for about 100 and something dollars per year. And, I've never run out of credits in opus clip and we even share it with another ministry in our church, and we still have enough credits for opus clip.
00:26:25:29 - 00:26:38:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So, that's something that really can help. If you have a long form version of something. If not, then I just recommend you doing a devotional, on your phone, editing it in something like Cap Cut or TikTok and then posting it everywhere.
00:26:38:16 - 00:26:56:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
man, on the street transition style videos, drafts, seven questions. Any given night you come into our youth ministry, we're doing one of those four things. Let me just tell you, like once we started walking around with the camera, especially for like man on the street or like transition style videos, the kids came out of the woodwork in their interest level for it.
00:26:56:23 - 00:27:21:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We have seven, I want to say different like serving teams for students. We have welcome team. We have cafe, we have tech team. We have social team, we have photography. We have worship. Maybe that's it. Oh, no. And then we have our table leaders. That's probably like our highest, spiritual bar of of role. The team that people want to be on the most is the social team.
00:27:21:10 - 00:27:44:25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so we have, like, increased our engagement around student serving because the social team exists. But the real, in my opinion, this role right here, this next role, this is really like the role that has changed everything for me. It's the student editor. So I post ten pieces of content per week. And this is a genuine, real, true, authentic statement.
00:27:44:27 - 00:28:09:20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I don't edit any of it. I'm going to include a checklist for you of roles, of things to do, of what to film all of that. That's over on my Patreon. Once again, that will come with a nominal fee because Patreon doesn't let me give it away for free. However, if you are a hybrid hero, you get that checklist that cost you $0 included in your $4 per month membership Hybrid Heroes tier.
00:28:09:22 - 00:28:30:23
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right. Now we're going to jump into the vision layer. So you start kind of dialing in social media. Where can this go. Maybe it's pre-recording your messages and creating a library of content on YouTube. Maybe it's creating YouTube playlist courses, maybe it's a weekly podcast and you're using things like Spotify, Apple Podcasts or YouTube. What could this take you?
00:28:30:23 - 00:28:38:04
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
What vision do you have for some of this? Let's dive in and check out some of this vision piece. Content.
00:28:38:07 - 00:29:14:02
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
From the most conservative parents in your church who would never even imagine letting their kids enter the World Wide Web to all the way to the least restrictive parents who gave their kids a phone and let them have wild access to the internet. YouTube is a great strategy and a great platform for students and school ministry. But if you're anything like me and you work at a church, you look around your youth and you compare it to the auditorium or the main church home that the rest of us or the rest of your, you know, big church is using where your pastor's preaching on Sunday morning and you probably look and think, man, I don't
00:29:14:02 - 00:29:55:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
have the gear to capture my services and post them on YouTube. And the answer to that is probably unequivocally, 100% accurate. You'll plan your curriculum and then you'll write out your teaching, and then you'll sit down and you'll deliver the message direct to camera, all because you told your time what was going to happen to it. And I'm not saying that you shouldn't counsel students and meet with the senior pastor and plan for your Wednesday night, but if pre filming your messages, if getting the message of Jesus and the message of hope out on the internet, on YouTube is important to you, then you need to determine when you're going to place that, that
00:29:55:19 - 00:30:20:13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
thing on your calendar to do. Does teaching is it required in mandated to be in person? So anything that you might be tempted to turn into a class or a meeting or a workshop or a meet up or an after church, like pizza with the pastor sort of thing. Any one of those that isn't like, relationally charged, I believe.
00:30:20:13 - 00:30:34:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And even if they are relationally church, we can pivot and reposition the way that we're doing it so that it can be included in a YouTube playlist. However, playlists are basically like free courses on YouTube's platform.
00:30:35:01 - 00:30:55:03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Listen, are you overwhelmed yet? Because it can be overwhelming. It's deep. And just like you have to be, organizational person and administrator, an executive pastor, a shepherd. Now, you're also being asked to be a social media manager. And that's the thing. That's why I have four different tiers of ways that I can help you. Number one, just grab my free e-book.
00:30:55:05 - 00:31:21:16
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You can also check out the seasonal social media pack, for the the three months. Or you can do for the whole year or coaching where I help walk you through it and how to implement some of these things. Or you can just reach out to me directly for coaching and communications done for you. But without any further ado, let's check out the last little bit here of the final, what this could look like and where this could take you in your church and in your ministry.
00:31:21:19 - 00:31:40:28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Can grab my free e-book, but if you get in there and you're like, I don't know what's best for us, and we'll let you know about some custom coaching that I have to offer. My custom coaching is four sessions long. $50 per session will be $200 out of your overall budget, which is absolutely pennies in the in the drop in the bucket in an overall church size budget.
00:31:41:00 - 00:32:02:05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But if you know, even that is too much, reach out. We can make something work. But the reason that custom coaching is important is because every context is different. I can tell you what I'm doing here in DFW, Dallas-Fort worth area, to reach, in my context, Gen Z or young, you know, basically almost done with Gen Z to Gen Alpha.
00:32:02:07 - 00:32:29:01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But and that might be helpful because if you're managing church social media for an overall church, like, well, we're doing is very going to be very cutting edge for, you know, like older Gen Z and even like millennials. But every church and every context and every geographical area is a little bit different. I was recently, coaching another guy and, my typical like strategy, I changed it and tweaked it a little bit for him because he was doing things just a little bit differently.
00:32:29:04 - 00:32:46:12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
His context was a little bit different, and his role was a little bit unique compared to what I typically would tell people to do. And so even I was, you know, thinking through and adjusting my model. And so it's important because everyone in every place is different. And then the final piece is this is like, as I say, all of this.
00:32:46:12 - 00:33:01:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And there's, you know, maybe a minute ago you gave me that sub because you were like, dude, there's just too much to do. And even with some custom coaching, there's still going to be a lot on your plate. You're 100% right. There is are still a lot of work to do, which is what I want to offer to, to some of you.
00:33:01:22 - 00:33:25:07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Might be worth it. Budget wise, communications done for you. It's a service that I offer, and I will run your website. Or I will do graphics and video, or I will run your YouTube and social media. Each of those different buckets and categories is a different price point. Or you can bundle them all together for a different price point link down below to inquire about that.
00:33:25:09 - 00:33:45:19
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But let me just tell you that it is a 10th of the cost of a full time staff person. If you were to hire me and contract me to do communications for you and for your church and for your ministry, because there's so much on your plate and you just you, you want it, but you don't have the time or bandwidth or desire maybe even to learn it.
00:33:45:19 - 00:34:01:10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I understand that. And at some point it's just worth it, you know, to just get it off of your plate. And if that you're in that zone and you don't want the coaching, you don't want to learn via the e-book, then great. Then check out what I have to offer communications for you. I will do things like inspect your website.
00:34:01:10 - 00:34:41:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I will optimize your search engine optimization. I will make your website as visitor friendly as possible. If you want to go in the graphics route, I can do graphic design for you. I can do series and events and pre screen and print graphics and all those types of things. Get those pesky jobs off of your plate. And if you want to optimize your church social media, live stream or YouTube prefilled messages, we can, do thumbnails, we can title the video, we can optimize the tags for search engine optimization, create chapters so that people can jump around in your videos, create playlists and online courses, and also create post shorts for your social media.
00:34:41:27 - 00:35:02:22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Whatever works best and whatever you want done for you. All of it is linked down below in the description or in the show notes. I'd love to have you check those things out, but again, I appreciate you being here. And listen. It is the future of the church is online. It's not only online, but are you. A wide portion of it is.
00:35:02:22 - 00:35:26:01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And the fact is, the more capacity and bandwidth that you have to take it there, the more effective I believe you will be to maximize your reach and your influence to continue to pursue reaching people for Jesus, continue to pursue the call and the assignment in which God has placed you, particularly right now in this season. And don't forget, and as always, stay hybrid.
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March 05 Episode 191: Can a Youth Night Work Without a Game?
In this 4th and Final Episode of my Creative Programming Playlist we’re continuing on with the 3 challenges, from home this week because of this insane (?) winter storm!
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Final Programming Episode
01:10 Programming with No Game!
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11:41 Why Hybrid?
13:44 From Scratch Game? (Or Resource)
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TRANSCRIPT
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, in this fourth
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and
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final
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episode of my Creative Programing playlist, we're continuing on with the three challenges that we've been working on
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this week, from my home office or guest bedroom, or normal side of the recording of the hybrid ministry show. Because of this insane question mark winter storm that Texas has experienced. I haven't been in the office all week and Sunday services were canceled.
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It's crazy, but we're doing these three challenges with no repeat order. And while last week we had no speaker,
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this week I want to show you what it might be like if we have no traditional game.
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Again, question mark. And I'm going to somehow create a game from scratch and submit it to dym, I have an idea of what I think I might want to do, but you can be the judge if this actually counts.
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And if I actually succeed in the challenge. And as always, we're going to recap and then let you know how it went. What went bad, what you need to do differently. All of
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that coming up on this week's episode of the fourth and final installment of the Programing Playlist Challenge. Welcome, everyone, to the Hybrid Ministry show.
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So we are here on the Hybrid Ministry show, attempting to round out the challenges.
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The first three videos, I was able to successfully complete each week's challenge, and today we're going to try and do the same thing.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You know, challenge number one, of course, is avoiding doing the same order. And so far we've done in week one, we did our kind of standard order of two songs. The first part of the message, a table talk, the announcements, then the game bumper video message, part two response song and a small message wrap.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Week two. We completely did the order wrong. And so we started with the message. A table talk did two songs in the middle, followed by announcements and games, followed by a bumper, followed by, the second part of the message kind of sandwiched in the night. And then week
00;01;56;07 - 00;02;13;10
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three, no speaker because we pre filmed our message. So we did announcements followed by song, followed by the first part of the message, followed by a table talk followed by game, followed by the second part of the message in table talk, followed by two more songs, third part of the message table talk, a response song and a message wrap, and dismiss.
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And so
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this week I'm going to give you a little bit of context, but I'm going to try and do a fourth order and a completely different element than what we've done so far. It's going to it's going to like I ended the last video, so we're going to throw this one into a tizz, And that's exactly what we're going to do.
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So for a bit of context, every single year around spring break we do a thing called spring break hangs. And what that is, is it's all of our office days. So we don't work on Fridays, but Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday we do some sort of hangout for students. So it could be something simple like meet up at a coffee shop, meet up at an ice cream shop.
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Sometimes we pay, sometimes they
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pay. And so yesterday, our Wednesday night programing for the week during this Texas snowstorm got canceled. So we threw together an emergency meeting with, myself and our students team. And as we were hopping off the call, one of my guys goes, hey, do we have plans yet for spring break? hangs well, I have a group of students who helped plan an outreach event and they want to do a tournament deal in the middle of the week.
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And so that's sort of like the anchor and then a round I said around it, let's go ahead and let's make a plan. And one of the plans that they came up with was they wanted to do a movie night. And so what we're going to do is in addition to doing spring break hangs every year,
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we also do a march bracket every year to kind of come alongside March Madness and all that type of stuff.
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And I've talked about it before and, you know, I'm going to give this resource that I'm about to create away. Over on the DYM site, I have the epic
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student ministry bracket of epic things, which is very dated. It's it's 7 or 8 years old now, the number one seed, Chip and Joanna Gaines. So I will tell you how dated that feels.
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Then I've also, over on the site, have The World's Greatest Donut, which actually have an episode link right here at top screen. You can go see, that event that we did, how we launched that event, and then how you can, have that event kind of going on in the background. And we've also done a Christmas movie bracket.
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And so for this one, we're going to do a movie bracket. And then that's going to determine the movie that we watch on the night of spring break hangs. And so one of the things that, I'm going to do is I'm going to actually, I think I want to create four different regions. So almost like four different categories.
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We'll do a 16 team bracket, even though in regular March Madness, I do a
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64 team bracket with four regions, 16 teams in each region. We'll do a 16 team bracket 4 regions. Four movies in each bracket. And so I'll kind of categorize it. And what I actually did was I told my team, I said,
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hey, 10:00, this was the last night.
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So I said, by 10:00 tomorrow I want to start working on this send me 16 movies doesn't have to matter. The order sent to me by 10:00. So I'll let you know who responded by ten. And then I'm going to take their movies. We're going to compile it into ChatGPT, and we're going to ask them to spit out like the ones that you know, which are commonly commonly included and stuff like that, and maybe even help us categorize it a little bit.
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So I'll let you know how my team does here if they meet the deadline by 10:00 or not.
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Four out of six, which I'm one of the four. So I guess three out of five of my team members, follow the instructions. If Ben and Kaleigh
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ever see this, they might be mortified. Or they might just giggle and think it's funny. But we compiled their lists and came up with seeds and came up with some regions.
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And so for the night, what I want to do is I want to treat our night a little bit like a selection show. So I'm going to hop in & I'm going to start creating some of that programing on Planning Center. And I'll catch you on the other side.
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There's
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no traditional game in the sense, but we are going to play kind of a quasi sort of like hybrid game in the middle of it. So we're
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going to start with a hype song. And then as soon as that's done, we're going to fire the selection show, bumper video. So again, I'm trying to kind of emulate like the selection Sunday night selection show of March Madness.
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And so as you can see, this Movie Madness logo here looks very much like, March Madness logo. And then myself and one of my coworkers, Allie, we're going to get up on stage and we're going to kind of have on like, jackets or like blazers, like people who are, you know, who are revealing stuff like on ESPN or whatever.
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And we are going to welcome the room. And we're not like, we're not going to break character. We're going to be, you know, in character, doing the thing the whole time. Welcome the room live on stage. And then we're also going to, reveal that we are launching a brand new, spring bracket. We're not revealing that the choice of movie is what's going to be played on movie night, but we're going to reveal that we are, in fact, having a bracket, and then we're going to cut to a field reporter.
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And this we're going to video ahead of time. I haven't done this yet, but just right now, I came up with the idea, we're going to video ahead of time. Another one of our staff people, Kaleigh and she's going to, announce the Pixar region. And so for us, we're going with, inside out as the number one seed versus Wall-E, and then Toy Story versus monsters, Inc. she's going to give a little bit of breakdown analysis on it, and then she's going to predict winners of each of those matchups, and then she's going to predict a winner of the winners.
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So she says, like inside out, it's going to be Wall-E. And Toy Story is going to beat Monsters Inc and then Inside Out versus Toy Story. She believes Inside Out is going to win, hypothetically, right? She'll say something like, that's just my opinion, but you guys get an opportunity to vote right now on Instagram or YouTube. Login right now, a scan QR code on the screen.
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So we'll edit all of that and put that all together. And then that will cut back to me and Allie and we'll kind of like talk about that a little bit, announce the next region, which is going to be the hero region. And we're going to be announcing this one over with a little bit of a game.
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And so we're going to cut to Eli and Cody, and then they're going to, play like an emoji. Guess game, which I'm actually going to include inside the pack of this. I'm going to include an emoji guess game as a part of like the launch. So Spider-Man across Spider-Verse versus Big Hero six and Avengers Endgame versus The Lego Movie.
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And then, the winner of that, they'll what we'll do then is we'll have them, go like head to head, and we'll have them, like, thinking, so, like, who's going to who's going to win, who's going to get it right, Eli or Cody or neither. And then we'll like pause the video and let them vote on sidekick.
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And then we'll come back and play the results. So that'll kind of be they'll kind of satisfy as like our game. Right. But it's all a part of this greater like selection show. And then that will that end into our brand new series. Are you turn bumper and then Ben, one of our associates who did not send in a list, by the way, is going to preach first half of his message
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in with a table talk.
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And then we're going to come back out of that into a commercial. And Ben is going to do the commercial, and he's going to do the comedy region. And this one I'm kind of doing like dad jokes or like, I don't know, like really cliche thing. So he and this is also going to sort of satisfy as like the announcement section of our night.
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So like, we're doing, they won't of spring break anxiety. We're doing ice cream. Day two, we're doing a thing called activate. It's like live, immersive, like games. Day three is our tournament thing. And then day four is the movie night. And so he's going to say like day one, we're doing ice cream, which is soft and squishy.
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Speaking of soft and squishy, the first in our comedy region, Shrek day two had to activate where you're going to have to activate your Megamind, which is the second movie in our comedy night. Day three, we're hosting an invite style tournament where you're going to have to unlock your athletic inner prowess and kung fu skills, just like, seed number three, which is Kung Fu Panda in the comedy region.
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And finally, day four is our movie night. Will we be watching this fourth movie here? Despicable me voting is now live on YouTube and Instagram. Head on over. So we'll kind of like build that up, play that up. And so it's going to be three different prerecorded video segments Kaylie's Field Report Eli and Cody's game. And then Ben's kind of like announcement thing.
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And that's going to put every single one of our staff people on screen or on stage for the night. And then back to me and Ali. Remember like, man, spring break hanging sound like fun. And that leads us to our final region, the legend region, which is How to Train Your Dragon versus The Princess Bride and Rogue One versus The Sandlot.
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Cast your vote online now you know, blah blah blah, yada yada yada. And then we will, and then we will go into Ben's message and actually right here as I'm explaining this, I'm going to move the bumper because Ben's going to earlier. He's going to come in after an emoji, video. So he can come in with that.
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That'll already be a video. And then this will allow that to allow them to fire the bumper. He'll come in, he'll do the rest of his message table talk, and then we'll have two response songs at the end. And then me and Ali back on. The selection show will essentially serve as the messenger app. And the dismissal, for the night.
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So that's kind of how we're going to launch this thing and let it go. Know that, like part of our reasoning strategy behind this is a it's going this is why I like the idea of hybrid, right? This is taking an in-person moment or movie night and pairing it with online online voting on YouTube and so and and Instagram.
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And this pushes people to our social channels and to our social pages. And so we get followers, we push our people to our online presence. If they're interacting with it, then the algorithm is going to feed them more of what we have, and it's going to, create like the in-person moment. So every week we get an opportunity then to be like, here's how you guys voted and all that stuff.
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And as always, we have printed paper versions that students without phones can print. And by the way, I'm giving you this entire resource for free. The movie emoji Guesses, as well as the entire bracket like assets that you'll need for, launching and doing this in
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your own ministry. You can grab it now. You can do it for an in-person movie night, or you can just do it because it's fun to have something else going on in the background.
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And, you can make this a part of your youth ministry. And so I have tons of these. I'm going to submit this to you. I by the end of the day, it'll be hopefully on there. But you can save money if you just hop on over and become a $4 per tier, $4 per month hybrid hero member to you.
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It's like if this resource ends up on you, I am for like seven bucks, let's say, like your hybrid hero is going to get you this this resource, along with the previous four resources, all for free. You're going to save money going over there. And I'm going to give you the different ideas and times when we lean into something creative like this.
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Right? No game. Right? No traditional game. We're doing a whole selection style show, but we're still like doing an entire youth ministry 80 minutes long. We got worship, teaching and like fun elements all woven throughout, launching this brand new thing and announcing an event coming up like this is an example of the creative programing that we're trying to lean into in our context and want to help encourage you to.
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And that is the whole purpose of my, thing. So I'm going to hop in the lab.
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All right. Welcome to Movie Madness. This is kind of meant to mirror March Madness, but whether you do this in March or not, this is just a great thing to run in the background of your youth ministry and also promote your social media, so you don't need to do anything with it aside from just launch it on your social media and let students vote, or you can let it drive towards something bigger.
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Like for us, we're going to let this drive toward a spring break hangout movie night in our context. And so the way that is kind of set up is that we have curated, at our on our team, amongst our staff, 16 different movies. And then they're in four different regions. So we have the, the Pixar region, the hero region, we have the comedy region, and then we have the legend region.
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And then each of those, they will face off against each other in a head to head voting style event. Students will vote. We typically, staff at where it's like one night we launch a big thing and we make a whole ordeal out of it. And then the voting happens on social media. So we typically let them vote on like, Instagram stories.
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And we also, push towards like a thing like YouTube. And so, you can take some of these graphics that I have created and then you can post them onto your stories. And then each week you as you meet back together with your students, you reveal who won voting wise from last week and who's moving on to the next week until you crown an ultimate champion.
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Like I said, you can allow this to be a part of your programing each and every single week and make a big deal out of it. Or you can just have fun on your social media. There are widescreen videos and graphics and fonts and templates, so that you can advance it custom in your context. You can print out some some papers.
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Students can vote on paper, you can have them vote on social media or you can use something like the voting feature inside Kick and vote just in the room and have students go one by one. We will do a combination kind of of all three in our context. And then at the end, we'll crown one champion from each of these four regions.
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And that will be how we decide which movie we're going to be watching in our spring break hangout movie night. So, thank you for checking this resource out. I hope it's helpful to you, and I hope you have fun as you crown a movie champions through this movie madness resource. Well, that is the video, the one you just saw.
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That's the video that I'm going to include in the how to play, resource on download youth miss you. You let me know. Comment down below. Did I complete the challenge? Is this bracket resource? Is this
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enough? Is this considered a game or not? From scratch? I think it is, but you can decide. And so I'm going
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to go ahead and give myself a check mark for this.
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Yes. And then we've also went ahead and we have, we have recap the night and I let you know how it went over on my Patreon link down below if you want to subscribe to that for hours per month, you'll get this resource completely for free. Or you can head over to the museum and see if it's available on the site yet.
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If not, I got the free early release version of it. And that's linked in the podcast episode that dropped on Monday over on my Patreon. Guys, thanks so much for being here for this. For part, how I program my youth ministry has been a super fun ride. I've had a blast doing it. But until next time.
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And as always, my friends, don't forget stay happy.
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TRANSCRIPT
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Well. Hello.
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And good morning.
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Today we are programing our Wednesday night with
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no
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speaker.
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Yeah, you heard that right.
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We're also still in this playlist completing these three challenges,
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which are no repeated order. We're going to create a game from scratch on win. And finally I'm going to recap the entire night, let you know how it went. And not only am I going to
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recap
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the night
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and the game that I created, but I'm also going to give you the game for free.
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So stick around to the end of the video so that you can see
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how you can get access that. Welcome everybody to the Hybrid Ministry Show.
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Welcome, everybody, to the hybrid ministry show. And, first order of business is we have to map out service order and we can't let the order repeat. So if
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you look in here on screen, you'll see that on the left here, this is, week one service order. And if you look here on the right, this is week two's service order.
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And so we're going to go ahead and we're going to make a completely different service order. But
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yes you heard it right because for the entire teaching topic we discussed in last week's video links right here that I will not actually be present. I won a or I don't even know, like I guess I won or was given, a free trip with my wife to get away kid free, for like, pastor and wives retreat and so the week that I'm programing is the week that I will be absent and we're going to be during and in the middle of our sex and dating and relationships
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series.
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So, we talked about a little bit last week, but this was the original order. But because of my trip, this is how we reshuffled things a little bit. And so we're going to be playing the already prerecorded video
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from this week in the room. And here's the thing. Like some of you, you may not know this, but
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we
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already have recorded
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these teaching topics.
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sat down, went into our studio,
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and this is a big part of our
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hybrid
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ministry strategy. And and what I recommend, like if you download my seasonal social media
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pack, which is free for Patreon members, by the way, and Patreon is only $4 a month, $48 for the year.
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If you download my pack, I recommend that you get active on social media and that you post like three
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times per week.
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But then, in the towards the end of the book, I challenge you, to consider a stretch goal. And a great stretch goal is to record and post all of
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your messages to YouTube or to, some sort of long form platform.
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I guess I say some other long form platform is if YouTube isn't the option like it is, the option is the number one social media for for students.
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But that what that does, is it gives you a multiplicity of options.
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Number one.
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It creates a long, long form library of content like a long tail library of content. So,
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messages from
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multiple years back are still relevant, because hopefully we're teaching the truth of God's word.
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someone can go back in and and get an answer to something or to to study a topic on something that we've already done in the past. We've done the work we put the work in.
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Secondarily,
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our leaders, like many of our leaders, lead the discussion based off of the message. But they don't come on Wednesday night when we preach it live.
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And so therefore, having the video allows them to still hear the content, even if they're not able to make it in the room.
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It's also a tool for parents. We're going to be using it during this series. I'm going to be sending it out ahead of time to parents being like, hey, listen, here we go. Like, this is all we're talking about in case you want to know, in case you want to get in front of it, in case you want to have conversations with the students.
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And so it gives us tons of great options. But the other option that you're seeing today is that it's going to give us the option
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like, I don't have to get a guest speaker. I don't to get a pinch hitter. Like, I can still speak and I can still,
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messaging for youth group, and,
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we can be off to the races without needing to do anything like crazy on that.
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And
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so
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it's really helpful to us. It's really beneficial. And so
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that might be something that you would consider down the road. That might be something that you might even consider. Now I got some coaching options down below my link tree. Go ahead and take a look at that. See if there's something you want. I can I can walk you through how we do that.
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today specifically,
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you know, week one we went two songs opening announcements, games receive message response song
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we two we went message songs, games rest of message and then songs. So we need a now third
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order.
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this is the just preset order.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we're going to
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we're going to mess with it and we're going to put in a new order. And as a reminder, I'm going to open here with
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welcome announcements game. The game is going to be the custom game that I'm going to create. And today, we'll see in a minute because I got to hop in the lab and I'll let you know how that spits out
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on the other side of things.
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But
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today
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm thinking about doing some sort of
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Winter Olympic themed game. We will be in the middle or towards the very end of the Winter Olympics by February 18th.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so I think that that would be, a fun kind of like way to to celebrate that and, to lean into that just a little bit. So,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
so anyway, that's one thing about, and then here I'm programing, I'm gonna do a song, and then I'm going to do,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
first part of the message, and I think I'm going to try and break my message up into three parts.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So part one
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
but typically I'm at like 12 minutes. So we're going to do like four minute, four minute chunks.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we'll do a four minute chunk and then a four minute table talk.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Another.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Some actually actually okay. So I'm changing my order already. So I'm going to do the opening song.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
no I like I like opening with a game for this on
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
it gets like a live element of the room. So we'll do part one, table two. I'm just trying to keep like I want to honestly kind of do the band a bunch.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But so I kind of wanted to
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not get,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
stuck into this rut of it, be like
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song
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message, song message.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah, I'm going to move the game down here. That's what I'll do.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
yeah, then we'll be able to. It won't be so choppy. I don't think anymore.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right, so here we go. Here's what I ended up coming up with. So instead of doing just games at the beginning, we do welcome announcements. And then that's going to lead into a worship song. And then after the song they're going to move into part one of the message, which will then, go for a minute and then end with, table talk there for a couple minutes.
00;06;36;59 - 00;06;59;32
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
After the table talk, Ali and Kayla, you're going to get up. They're going to play the game that I made from scratch. Then after that, they're going to lead it into part two of the message with another table talk. And then out of that the band is going to come up and do two songs. And then after that last part, I'm going to do the final part of the message, and then there's going to be a message wrap and dismissal from, my, my number two associate.
00;06;59;32 - 00;07;22;32
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So the only other thing here that is worth considering is, you know, there's only 52 minutes of total service time. That in part is because a video message goes a lot quicker than a live spoken message. So I am considering and I think I'm going to do it. I am actually just considering here, adding one last response song.
00;07;22;37 - 00;07;37;35
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Our band typically does three songs in this particular week. I'm going to, see if they can go ahead and do two, four songs. And so it'll go part three of The Message, which also there will be a table talk in there. I didn't add. So let's go and see what that does. A table.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So now we're at like 61 minutes.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
that's not bad. And even if we did happen to kill this response song,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
we're at 56 again. Not bad, but I think I'm going to leave it there. And so we're going to go with we're going to go with four songs this night instead of five or instead of three.
00;07;53;10 - 00;08;00;47
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And yeah. And now look boom. Challenge number one completed completely different order. Now,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
about to hop in the lab and I'm going to go and create a custom game. We'll see you on the other side.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Another.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Welcome, everybody to the extreme. Go for gold trivia. I invited one of my buddies, Ben,
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
in here. Wearing a Timberwolves shirt. Not Timberwolves fan. Mavs. We're going to see how this game works. So in the like how to play instructions there. There are two ways to play. Traditional question. Answer. Nice question answer. Question answer. It's just simple.
00;08;38;46 - 00;08;59;21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You guys got this. I'm not going to tell you how to play that, but I want to show you how we might play the Extreme Edition. I like it. I like going for gold extreme. So the instructions go like this. Read the question. I think they'll be the first to buzz in. Choose either answer or challenge. All right.
00;08;59;21 - 00;09;20;20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So whoever buzzes in first, it's like truth or dare. Yeah. Answer a challenge. And then step four you can win for your side of the room. So let's say you're playing for the right side of the room. And I'm playing for the left side of the room. And then you guys figure out whatever prize you want pizza for the that side or Nintendo Switch two points or AirPods for everyone, right?
00;09;20;25 - 00;09;46;51
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That'd be crazy. So one of my favorite ways to do this is to take a water bottle, right? If you don't have like, an amazing formalized buzzer. Have a water bottle in the middle. And, what will happen is whoever grabs what about first, then that's then. It's like the Cup game. Yeah. Yeah. And then they choose, you know, either, they choose either answer or challenge.
00;09;46;51 - 00;09;50;55
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah. Okay, so first question.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we're up here, contestants. Which sport made debut at the 2026 Winter Olympics? I buzzed in. Yeah. And on this one, I know. Because I'm just a massive Olympics fan. So I'm going to say the answer is B ski mo. Am I right? What do you think? No. Well I made the game so I guess I'm right.
00;10;14;35 - 00;10;35;41
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Okay. Now that's I would get a point. All right however. Wait how do you. What is mountaineering. Sorry. I don't know. That was that. That's unreal. That's. Yeah. I'll let you watch the Olympics on NBC starting in February and February 12th. Yeah. Eskimo mountaineering is. But now then. All right, so I got a point. So one point for the left side of the room.
00;10;35;41 - 00;10;42;13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Okay, now let's go back to this year. Okay, here we go. Next question.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Which country has participated in every Winter games since they began in 1924? Canada, France, United States then grabs the buzzer. But this time around, Ben is going to choose. Choose Canada. No, you're going to say, oh, you got shoes? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right, that's right. You're going to choose. Oh, I'm gonna choose challenge. All right. So what you haven't seen yet is I've created two spoons.
00;11;05;45 - 00;11;29;10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, I saw one was sugar. You can use anything. You can do worse. You sour sauce and Worcestershire, however you say. Sure, sure, sure. And Coca-Cola, you can do vinegar and water. Yeah. You could do caramel onion, caramel apple. Like, whatever you boil oil. There you go. Yeah. Canola oil. Yeah. Get all the oils, kill someone or help them live.
00;11;29;15 - 00;11;53;11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So how this would work then is so since he buzzed in as you can smell it, I didn't know if since he buzzed in as the challenger or he his go is to, stomp the room. Okay. So if if he like if he successfully stomps the room based off his reaction, he gets two points to my one just for answering straight up.
00;11;53;26 - 00;12;07;55
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Okay, if he's unsuccessful in that, then, you know. So here we go. The game host would then say, all right, ready? Three. Two. One.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Okay, so based off of our reaction, one of us have so one of us has sugar. And so how we're going to play in our room then, we're big sidekicks fans. Oh, yeah. So who got so the double vote? Whoever you think. Got it. And then if Ben was able to, like. So if he was able to successfully stumped the room, why don't you tell the people what you had at sugar?
00;12;35;49 - 00;12;53;53
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Yeah, I had, so, yeah, that was like you. Really? Yeah. Did I see it in your app? Yeah. Just try not to cry. That was horrific. So let's say he did something, and let's say everyone voted that that he had the salt, even though I had the salt. So as blind for the your contestants to. Yeah. As mine for your contestants too.
00;12;53;53 - 00;13;10;47
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So it's really just all about your reaction. Yeah. And then you'd move on to question three. Easy. Go on. So forth. So that's how you play the Extreme Edition. That's how we're going to play this on February 18th. Hope you guys enjoyed. Bless up. See you next time. See ya.
00;13;10;52 - 00;13;34;11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So there you have it. That's actually the game that I'm going to include in the submission. It's usually like on the do I am game page, the actual like resource page taken of how to play. So that's how we're going to play it. Go either way. So New order unlocked. New game from scratch. And as a reminder, the Hybrid Heroes Patreon tier $4 per month,
00;13;34;21 - 00;13;43;40
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
$48 per year is where I will be debriefing this and every other week in this, playlists series and giving away the game.
00;13;43;41 - 00;14;00;48
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So, if you listen to the podcast, the Dropbox link to this game is included for free. Or if it's over on D, I am of course, you can go grab it over there for a couple of bucks. So all three challenges completed. Next week is the final week and we are going to throw it absolutely into a tiers.
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Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That video is going to be linked right here on screen. But until next time. And as always my friends don't forget to stay hybrid.
15 min
February 19 Episode 189: I Intentionally Programmed Youth Group “Wrong”
I’m designing my real youth ministry program, with these 3 rules.
1 Order Doesn’t Repeat
And today I'm intentionally going to do it WRONG!!
2 I'm also making a different, from scratch, DYM Game for EACH week
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 Programming Wrong
00:37 New Order
03:08 Consistency with Social Media = Solved!
04:14 A Student Asked me for this Game!
06:21 Creating the Game & the GRAND REVEAL!
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TRANSCRIPT
00;00;00;52 - 00;00;27;34
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm designing my real youth ministry program in this playlist around these three different rules for the next month. Rule number one is that the order does not repeat, and today I'm intentionally giving a wrong order. We're also going to be making a different DIY and game from scratch every single week. And I'm going to tell you how you can get this game for free and get it early before it releases on the site.
00;00;27;36 - 00;01;05;37
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And step three, I'm going to evaluate and reflect how it went. Welcome, everybody to part two of the Hybrid Minstrel Show Programing challenge. Well hello everybody, and welcome back to, this episode of the Hybrid Ministry Show. You know, in this episode, we are going to be programing a service. Wrong. And here's why. It's wrong, so to speak, is that there's kind of like a standard assumed order for, for instance, if I pull open, the February 11th service plan, which I'm filming this on January 15th, so still a full month out.
00;01;05;42 - 00;01;25;34
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
There's already like a basic service order kind of mapped out. And like this is very similar to what we did in that last week's video is going to be linked up right here at the top screen. If you've not seen that one, there's a free game and that one as well. That's kind of like our standard order. And and actually after that video, we had to shift our order a little bit because I'm going to be out of town.
00;01;25;39 - 00;01;41;52
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I don't want to be out of town on, the week of this message, the text message. And so, I'm going to teach this one in the room, and then, we'll do something different for when I'm out of town. Stay tuned for next week's video, but I'm going to do something, we're going to do it completely wrong.
00;01;41;52 - 00;02;02;00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so, I'm going to go ahead and instead of opening with worship, which is kind of like the assumed beginning of everything, we're going to actually open with the introduction of the message, I'm going to come up here and I'm going to do the first couple minutes of the message, let's say.
00;02;02;05 - 00;02;27;28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm over here with my Google doc and a split screen we're going to open and we're going straight for it. We're going straight for the message right off the top rope. And like I said, we're talking about sex. So it's going to be a little bit of a heavy topic, which also makes my table talk a little bit tricky because, I got to trust tables and students to handle that discussion with proper amount of care.
00;02;27;33 - 00;02;49;45
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But then we are going to, after the table talk. We're going to do worship, right? Jammed right there in the middle. And so we'll do the opener followed by a couple of songs. Then we're going to put the game in the announcements after worship last night. Date of recording in January. We have a January Wednesday workshop.
00;02;49;53 - 00;03;03;51
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So that means worship has to be at the very top. And then we just miss everybody and they can go to different places in the building. So everyone worships and then they're split up as part this month. We're not going to be doing that. And so I have a little bit more flexibility with where and when we put worship.
00;03;03;51 - 00;03;26;09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we'll go ahead and do the welcome and announcements here. And this is going to be the game. We're going to do a Four Corners trivia game. You know last night yesterday was actually I was in my car, on my way driving to work, and I was thinking about this video and, you know, last week I created the the game that if you go back to last week's video, you can grab a free copy of it.
00;03;26;14 - 00;03;44;17
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
There are Patreon, $24 a month for eight hours for the year. Not only is it going to give you all these games and these, you know, bonus podcasts, but it's also going to give you, unlocking the free seasonal social media package. Whenever I leave cohorts, the number one culprit of people not being able to do social media, consistently is just timing and scheduling.
00;03;44;17 - 00;04;00;48
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so therefore, my pack will be the timing, the consistency in scheduling for you. And then you can infuse your own creative juices. Like, I have a resident right now who's, doing a disc golf shot over the roof of our building one every day until he makes it like there's incredible creativity. Sometimes you don't have time for that.
00;04;00;48 - 00;04;19;57
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So have my pack. Let it run kind of on autopilot in the background. And then when you have an idea like that or volunteer resident, then hop on in and use it and scrap the stuff that I have. But my mind helps keep you regular. It's kind of like fiber. Anyway, so I had a student come on to me yesterday because I've been thinking all day, was my game going to be what's my game going to be?
00;04;19;57 - 00;04;35;36
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And she said, can we play one of those four corners games where you go to a different corner and if you're wrong, you're out. And I'm thinking like loot and lunacy. I'm thinking like dead cat style. We've I even have some on the site already. They're just like basic trivia games. And so that's actually the game that I'm going to do.
00;04;35;36 - 00;04;55;46
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We're going to, create a custom, for February. So maybe, maybe football and super Bowl themed, maybe like love or like pink or heart themed. But something kind of like themed for February. Around this four corner trivia style game. Like I said, I have a few on the store already. I'll link those down below, but this one for free for my Patreon members.
00;04;55;46 - 00;05;18;03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
If you want to hear that, hop on over and you can get a free trial. And then you can get this week's, game complete for free. Dropbox link will just be in the podcast episode that did go ahead and drop on Monday. So for Chronos, trivia is going to be Ali and Cody. And then coming out of that, we're going to go ahead and do the bumper video, pull the students back together just a little bit, and then we'll do the rest of the message here.
00;05;18;08 - 00;05;37;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm not going to include a table talk. I will probably have some sort of interactive pieces and elements. Table talks in all in throughout my message, just like we talked about last week. And my message here, and pray. And then the band is going to end with a response song. So we essentially sandwiched the teaching.
00;05;37;12 - 00;05;56;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And part of as it is, is a heavy topic. I want to hit it right off the rev the top rev top rope, and then kind of like kind of like let them come up for air for a minute, worship and game and fun and then bring it back home to kind of round out the night. And so this is going to be our service order for this week.
00;05;56;17 - 00;06;15;20
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's wrong. You don't normally just open with the message. But but we're going to and we'll let you know how it goes. And so, I need to hop into the lab. I need to cook up this game. But different order than last week. So that challenge is done. But to do the game and evaluation is complete.
00;06;15;24 - 00;06;27;13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It happened on Monday over on my Patreon. So let me do this game and then I'll I'll give you a little preview of it. Here in just a minute.
00;06;27;18 - 00;06;48;48
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You know, sometimes just like that, it is, 441 I would like to go home. It's Thursday. I was at a retreat all week, but I want to show you what we came up with here. Came up with a game called Dynamic Duos. So it's all things, like, paired well together, like peanut butter and jelly, macaroni and cheese, Batman and Robin, or different like duos are found throughout the Bible.
00;06;48;48 - 00;07;17;07
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's trivia based game, all kind of like a red and pink themed for Valentine's Day and love. And then, the students will go to the corner that they believe the correct answer is they're incorrect. They're out. If they're correct, they remain in and then they get to play the next round. Super simple trivia game, but get students up and moving four corners, and then we're going to probably go ahead and award the winner and their table some sort of prize or food package or best seats in the house like we had talked a little bit about last week.
00;07;17;07 - 00;07;35;13
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So that's the video. And challenge two is now complete. Don't forget, level three challenge link down below in my Patreon if you want to hear how it went. This is Thursday. It happened yesterday. This is how we programed it. And the link down below will take you to the recap episode. So all three challenges met for this week.
00;07;35;24 - 00;07;39;47
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So thanks for being here my friends. But until next time. And as always, don't forget to stay high.
8 min
February 12 Episode 188: How I Planned Youth Group - 3 Weekly Challenges
Can I design a compelling youth night from scratch each week with a different order - while also creating a brand-new DYM game from scratch?
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 The Programming Challenges
01:49 Why we break our messages into 2 parts
03:11 Determining Service Order for Feb 4th
03:36 How we account for phones
03:48 Adapting a YouTube transcript for an in-room talk
04:30 Using Sidekick to create interaction
05:34 Did we just stumble into a game?
05:58 Programming the Rest of the Night
06:35 Pro-Tip #1: Bumper Videos
07:12 Pro-Tip #2: Message Wraps
07:28 I know what you’re thinking…
08:14 Evaluations & Recap
09:51 Creating a Game from Scratch
11:22 Become a Hybrid Hero - Get the Game for FREE!
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TRANSCRIPT
00;00;01;06 - 00;00;29;52
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Well, good morning and welcome to my office. Today I'm going to show you how I create a creative youth ministry program for our mid-week services. You know, I was helping lead a youth ministry leader cohort, which was started by my friend Dairy Prince. They're free, by the way. Check them out if you want. Link down below. But ten out of ten youth pastors believe that creative programing is essential for a good youth ministry.
00;00;29;54 - 00;00;47;49
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I try and challenge myself to create something like that. And so I want to take you into the lab this morning. I'm going to turn this camera around and show you my screen, and just give you an opportunity to kind of get inside my brain. Not that my brain is anything special, but it wouldn't really be that interesting.
00;00;47;49 - 00;01;13;30
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we're going to spice this up a little bit. This is my real youth ministry programing that I'm going to be experimenting and messing with over the next four weeks, and I have created for myself three. I almost had four, but three different challenges over these next four weeks. Challenge number one is the order must not repeat. I'm going to do a different service flow and different service order every single week.
00;01;13;34 - 00;01;32;18
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The challenge number two in that is I'm going to create a custom from scratch submitted to download Youth Ministry. Game number three is that then I am going to hop on and I'm going to tell you exactly how it went. So this is the front side creation. And then challenge and run through is I have to evaluate it.
00;01;32;18 - 00;01;54;51
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And we're going to do that in my bonus podcast. And if you listen to my bonus podcast I will include the custom game for free before it's ever even on the store at diam. You can go get that over on my Patreon. It's time to dive in! Welcome everybody to the Hybrid Ministry show! The February 4th is going to be the first week of Our God guys and girls.
00;01;54;51 - 00;02;15;35
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Basically like the sex series in Planning Center. You'll see over here is, just like our basic template. We got song bumper welcome announcements game. Now, you know, one of the things I said, challenge number one was I want to do different order. Like I try to keep our students, like, on their toes. A little bit. One of the things that I challenge myself to do is to not preach my entire message.
00;02;15;35 - 00;02;35;22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And, and this trickles down to the rest of our entire team to not preach their entire message in one shot. Like, if I preach 30 minutes to students, I don't think that that's effective. They're losing it at the end of 30 minutes. You know what I mean? However, a it is incumbent upon me to make it actually interactive and interesting, but maybe I can buy more time.
00;02;35;22 - 00;02;54;10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I can buy more speaking time if I don't keep it all together. And so because of that, we kind of you are talking to like two parts, an opening and a closing. And sometimes I can just be like an opening illustration, but other times it could be like two thirds of the talk and then we just close with like the final third or final, you know, a little snippet there at the end.
00;02;54;15 - 00;03;12;11
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And so we keep on hold our service order very loosely, like we don't want to ever really get stuck in a rut. And so I'm going to show you like kind of a basic service order today. But in the coming weeks, like we're going to be really like messing things up. So, we'll start with a couple songs.
00;03;12;11 - 00;03;29;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Our kids love worship. And so, the countdown video will end and the band of band stage, and they're going to, they're going to get it and we're going to, we're going to even put in here like hype song. Then we have a bumper video. I've created it from God, guys and girls. It's very short, but we're going to make it happen.
00;03;29;12 - 00;03;48;09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then we're going to do the intro. And again, I'm going to say ten minutes or so, I'll do an opening, and then we sit around tables and there's like a little placard in the middle that we actually link, like a YouVersion live events to that they can follow along with on their phones. That's one of the ways that we try to redeem phones in our room rather than villainize them.
00;03;48;14 - 00;04;11;00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we film all of our messages ahead of time on a teleprompter. I'm actually doing that a little bit later this afternoon. But this right here is my this was from this was the original that Jerry wrote. This is my adaptation to it for YouTube. And then this is going to be my in room version. So I made a copy of it and my say in room message oh one relationships.
00;04;11;01 - 00;04;37;00
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And now this like some of this stuff is like very YouTube like focus, right? I'm going to talk about roller coasters and maybe that will actually give me a little bit of an idea for a game later. I'll see. And we're going to use our handy dandy sidekick. So this was last night's presentation on June 17th.
00;04;37;09 - 00;04;55;03
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Now this is going to we're going to build, I don't know, I'm making this top five roller coaster ranking thing. I don't actually know what it is. We're going to make it up. So that's going to be kind of like how I program it to be interactive. Right? So this is going to be a voting thing.
00;04;55;08 - 00;05;18;49
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then I'm going to do my top five roller coaster ranking. Think like my number one is Guardians. Tron might be my number to my threes are I called vortex which no longer exists Kings Island, Diamondback, Top Thrill Dragster, Cedar Point, and then that transitions me into this statement. I think we can all agree our least favorite roller coaster is a teenage dating scene.
00;05;18;49 - 00;05;34;28
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So I need to find in here a good spot for a table talk. Good. So we're going to turn this section into a table talk. Table talk.
00;05;34;33 - 00;05;51;47
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I'm thinking maybe a roller coaster game. I don't know, like, I mean, we could do like, a real or fake roller coaster. That's pretty basic. Like a basketball game where someone does like this with, like, the roller coaster thing, and you all kind of, like, follow, like, I'm trying to think if there's a way to, like, maybe make something like that, I don't know, I got I got to start kind of like noodling on it.
00;05;51;47 - 00;06;12;25
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So I don't, I don't have anything yet. We're going to come back and that's just a placeholder though. So we're going to do, intro to the message table talk announcements. It's the Wednesday before our winter weekend. So Wednesday, two days later, our winter weekend starts. So this is the final push for signups for that. And then roller coaster game maybe.
00;06;12;25 - 00;06;29;08
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
But we're going to link the announcements and the game after the table talk. So instead of the message table talk and then, Cody and Kelly, they're going to come up and they're going to interrupt the table talk and they're going to give our announcements, move on into the roller coaster game. And then and then that's going to be that.
00;06;29;08 - 00;06;50;34
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So you'll notice so far. Well, actually I have the bumper video up here. I'm going to move it. So I like coming in after worship. I think it's pretty easy to come in after worship. I think it's hard to come in after a game when they're like, riled up a little bit more. So I like a bumper video to give us that, like that moment.
00;06;50;34 - 00;07;12;35
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
All right, to buy us some of that space. And so I'm actually going to, come in after the song into the opening message table talk announcements, roller coaster game, and then do the bumper video here. And then this is where I'm going to do the rest of my message. We're going to delete this table talk, and we're just going to do a woven all through in here table talks.
00;07;12;39 - 00;07;33;08
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then one final piece that I sometimes like to add is after a song is like a bit of a message rap. So I got a girl. My name Ali. She'll do a good job with that. She can give a little bit of, like, a final bow and dismissal. Now you're like, this isn't creative programing, Nick.
00;07;33;08 - 00;07;54;21
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And, like, I get it, right. Like, the elements that you might not know, is, are digital notes, the QR code where they can scan, as well as our interaction here with sidekick, and then really the game that you're going to see me create here in, you know, maybe a couple of hours. And so, I'll bring you back when I'm ready to create this game.
00;07;54;26 - 00;08;15;43
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
The other piece is like, I will go through here and, try to find moments of interactive ness, make sure that I have good illustrations. Make sure that I'm using sidekick if I'm able to, bring students up on stage, if I can, and find different, like, things with that. And so, the final kind of product of that.
00;08;15;43 - 00;08;41;10
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Right. We're going to review that, in our our recap pod, which is member of my paid tier, Hybrid heroes, Patreon membership. It's only $4 a month, and that $4 per month, what it gets you is a weekly bonus recap podcast, right? Like in just a minute, I'm going to sit down and then we'll talk about January 7th and it's going to release on the this following Monday.
00;08;41;15 - 00;08;59;57
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Talking about what we did in our program, we played a game called, New Year's New Year in Review Rumble. It was part of the download Youth Ministry membership. And it was like an okay game, but I would give it I'll give it like a B. And I'm going to tell you what worked in our context and what we failed at that.
00;08;59;57 - 00;09;17;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
That made it a B, and how we maybe could have punched it up a little bit better. And we do that every single week over on Patreon. Only $4 a month. And you can use, like, your, you can use your, like, professional development budget money for that because it only nets out to like $48 a year.
00;09;17;19 - 00;09;35;41
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
Or if you don't have that as a youth ministry, again, it's only $4 a month. So maybe even out of your own personal pocket, a cup of coffee in your office instead of getting it from Starbucks one time per month. And there is that cost savings. And in addition to that, like for this playlist alone, you're going to get all the games I make.
00;09;35;41 - 00;09;56;09
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
You're going to get them completely for free. I'm going to give you a Dropbox link in the podcast description and my monthly social media pack, which usually costs $17.99. It's free for Hybrid Hero members, so let's figure out where I go in this direction with this game thing. Well, all right, welcome back. As you can see, it's now daytime.
00;09;56;09 - 00;10;13;57
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And I think I got a game concept idea. Challenge number one was accomplished by creating a new order. It's the first order. So because it's first order, it's a new order. And I have been racking my brain all day on games. And I think I finally came up with a game. Got it from Big Brother. Shout out to Big Brother.
00;10;13;57 - 00;10;31;49
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It's going to be like kind of like trivia based, but musical chairs where like one less or like spoons where like one less option is still like available every single time. So you have to run, get the correct answer and then bring it back to the front of the room. I'm going to go in the lab. I'm going to create this.
00;10;31;49 - 00;10;40;01
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
We're going to time lapse this thing and and we'll let you know how goes.
00;10;40;06 - 00;11;00;22
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So we ended up going with a game called No Way or No Seat. So it's like musical chairs. Meet octave from Big Brother plus Bible trivia. So well you're going to end up having is like at least ten contestants. We have 16 tables in our room, so we'll spin the wheel and we'll do table numbers, and then they'll send a contestant from their table.
00;11;00;34 - 00;11;15;12
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
And then the winning person will win something like snacks or something like that for their table. It's always an easy, huge win. Or we sometimes take out a couple of tables and put in some couches and call it the best seats in the house and give them pizza or drinks or snacks or whatever. And so that's what we're going to end up doing.
00;11;15;12 - 00;11;38;53
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
I just made this game and, I'll let you know exactly how it goes. In fact, I've already let you know how it goes. It's going to be linked on my Patreon right here. That dropped last Monday. And so if you want $4 per month, not only will you get my seasonal social media pack my weekly recaps of how my creative programing is going, but you'll also get access to this game that I just created.
00;11;38;58 - 00;11;55;05
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
It is going into the Divine Pipeline as we speak, but it is probably not there yet unless something crazy happens. So, if you want this game for free, or not for weeks, you can do this $4 a month. But you know what I mean. Like, you get a lot of other stuff, and this is included as a perk to it, so go check that out.
00;11;55;05 - 00;12;16;40
Nick Clason | Hybrid Ministry
So challenge two is now complete. Challenge three is actually already complete on my Patreon. In the next episode, we are going to talk about what happens if I break programing whole new deal. I am game challenge, whole new flow in order as well as a whole new recap. Be sure to check that out my friends. But until next time, and as always, don't forget to stay hydrated.
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February 05 Episode 187: The Game That Changed Youth Camps Forever
Most youth camp games fail for one simple reason… and almost nobody realizes it.
Leaders spend hours planning activities, but kids lose interest in minutes — and it’s not because they’re distracted or bored.
Today, I’m sitting down with the creator of Camp Clue — a game that’s been used in camps around the world to keep kids fully engaged.
He’s breaking down exactly why it works — and how you can design games that actually hold attention all week long. And how you can get it for yourself!
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🕰️TIMECODES
00:00 What is Camp Clue?
04:11 Social Media During Camp - How?
05:29 Did you Murder People at Your Camp?
06:08 How to Set up Camp Clue?
09:54 How this Game Also Enhances Relationships
12:43 Bonus Idea #1 From Anthony Taylor
14:00 Bonus Idea #2 From Anthony Taylor
16:33 Logistical Hurdle Solution
18:18 Pro Tips from Anthony
21:00 Bonus Idea #3 & #4 From Anthony Taylor
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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:01.166)
Well, what's up everyone? I'm here with Anthony and we're both drinking coffee on this Friday morning and we both have backwards black hats. So I almost wore that chapel students t-shirt, but I just don't have it yet. One day. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. That'd have been funny. That'd have been funny. Anthony is the, um, the mad scientist behind camp clue. Um, or something.
Anthony Taylor (00:05.94)
Hey!
Anthony Taylor (00:09.502)
Wow.
Anthony Taylor (00:14.868)
I have some old Parkview t-shirts from your last church. I should have wore Parkview t-shirt. That would have been awesome.
Nick Clason (00:31.104)
And so he's gonna just, so we've been in this little playlist, you're actually the end cap of it, Anthony, where we've been talking about different games that you could implement at a winter retreat or a D-Now or a summer camp that lasts the whole weekend and in some cases exists in the background. And Camp Clue, I remember it from even a couple years ago, seeing you talk about it or...
running across it on the DYM store. So why don't you just give us a quick overview. Where did it come from? What's the concept behind it? And how did it go?
Anthony Taylor (01:02.249)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (01:07.08)
Yeah, yeah, we have, we do a middle school and high school camp, probably like everybody else does, at a place that's not ours. And, and we have kids that don't want to do the rec games, the earth ball, the throw the football, chase the thing. And so we were sitting down talking as a team and said, what, can we create that non-athletic creatives might want to do?
Nick Clason (01:32.621)
Mm.
Anthony Taylor (01:33.62)
And what we started with was we ordered the farting unicorn coloring books. Do remember those? Yeah. And so we ordered every coloring book that was silly. And then we just made a table with colored pencils and stuff. And honestly, we still do that. And so when the camp game is going on out in the field, we have a table close by with a little tent over it. And if a creative and a non-sporty person just wants to do that, they color with their friends and
Nick Clason (01:39.584)
yeah. Yeah.
Nick Clason (01:45.634)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (02:01.47)
do that stuff and we bought the bead bracelets and stuff. And then we realized that it was like 90 % girls in that tent. And we're like, we want something that everybody, every gender, every creative, every, a sport kid that hurt his leg, can't do the thing, to do. So we decided to brainstorm some games. And now every year we do something different. And if we get time and I blow through the Camp Clue stuff,
Nick Clason (02:08.429)
Mmm.
Nick Clason (02:20.058)
yeah.
Anthony Taylor (02:30.952)
I'll tell you some of the other fun stuff. just, we have our winter conference coming up next weekend. These are all my escape room posters. We made escape rooms for kids to just play, which is kind of fun. Yeah, so one of our residents, her name was Makena. We sat down and it was like her first project. I was like, let's create something that's awesome that everybody can play. And so we thought about Clue and then we're like, well, let's call it Camp Clue.
Nick Clason (02:32.331)
Yeah, that'd be great.
Nick Clason (02:40.289)
nice.
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (03:00.324)
And what it is, in a nutshell, real quickly, is kids get a card, and just like Clue, you're trying to figure out who is in what room with what item, and as you do that, you're eliminating people because they're clearly in that room, and the lead pipe is clearly over there, and so it couldn't be this, that. So as you eliminate people, you will find out who the person is, where they're at, and with what weapon they would do the thing.
Nick Clason (03:05.646)
Mm.
Nick Clason (03:18.264)
Right.
Nick Clason (03:27.564)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, are people getting murdered at your camp or are you like trying to stay away from the whole word?
Anthony Taylor (03:34.866)
Yeah, no, actually that's funny. I can't remember. We played this three or four, yeah. I forget what the answer is, but I do think someone gets hit with a weapon. I don't know if they get murdered. No, no, no, no, no. I do remember this. Someone was worried about murder and they said they've been eliminated. They've been eliminated. So if you're more progressive, you can say murder.
Nick Clason (03:38.926)
It's been a minute right?
Nick Clason (03:49.038)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (03:55.669)
Right?
Yeah, there you go. There you go. Nice. That's funny. yeah. So is this a, that's funny. So is this a like, wow, earth balls going on alternative or is this happening kind of all week long?
Anthony Taylor (04:12.412)
No,
Anthony Taylor (04:16.52)
both. So while earth ball is going on and they're like, I would never want to do that. Then we have a rule of three at camp. can't be alone right where the kid. So if, if teenager one and teenager two are like, I don't want to do that leader one can grab those people and like, Hey, we're going to walk around and go do camp clue. But also when the lake is open midday and you're like, I'm not swimming. You know, they can go play camp clue. So it's all the time.
Nick Clason (04:17.336)
Okay.
Nick Clason (04:21.686)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (04:27.34)
Right, right. Yeah.
Nick Clason (04:45.111)
Okay.
Anthony Taylor (04:46.258)
It's sitting out there and it takes a bit of time on the front end as the youth pastor, because what you're gonna do is you're gonna, these are quadrants, but you're gonna cut these like this and you're gonna go tape these camp clues all over the place. And if you're not watching this as a podcast, I'm just, it's a piece of paper that says camp glow on one end and the other one just says like lead pipe. the reality is, is you take these to the buildings wherever your camp is and you hide them.
Nick Clason (04:51.298)
Right?
Nick Clason (05:06.979)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (05:15.078)
And I liked, like if you're going to take it to the gym, right? Every camp has a gym or most camps or the dining hall. You just say the dining hall, but then you take a nice piece of gaff tape or duct tape that's not going to, and you go hide this and you tape it to the wall somewhere. But I like to, I'd much rather like hide it up under the soffit and it's just barely, do you know mean? So they go to the dining hall and they're like,
Nick Clason (05:15.404)
Okay.
Nick Clason (05:22.54)
Yeah, sure.
Nick Clason (05:34.04)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (05:39.022)
yeah. huh.
Anthony Taylor (05:43.376)
I gotta find the clue at the dining hall and they're like where and they're like There it is, you know
Nick Clason (05:48.664)
So do you give them like a giant list of like locations that they have to like go to find the, or how are they knowing that they gotta go to the dining hall?
Anthony Taylor (05:56.85)
Yeah, yeah, so the campers have this cute little camp clue card and the camp clue card is specific to that kid. Any kid that wants to play has a card and they have to have their own card and the camp clue card is like this and it has all of the suspects, all of the weapons and all of the rooms and then the mystery solved and it says blank use the blank in the blank and then there's a time indicator they have to write.
Nick Clason (06:13.581)
Okay.
Nick Clason (06:22.456)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (06:24.66)
It has to say Sunday at 2.30 PM, they turn this in, which means they solved it. And sometimes we get them at 2.35 and you're like, oh, you were first, you know. But this is the cool thing about the way that we develop the game is they don't get a list. They come up and they say, they say, hey, I need a clue. And you say, have you solved some clues? And they're like, yeah, I solved some clues. And they start linear. There's
Nick Clason (06:28.672)
is when they solved it.
Nick Clason (06:35.82)
Yeah, okay.
Anthony Taylor (06:53.876)
15 clues and then you say, I've solved up to clue five. You're like, really? You want clue six? And then the leader has a leader sheet that is a editable. How do you say that word? Yeah. Editable PDF that no matter what your camp looks like, you would fill in these things. So if your camp doesn't have a gym, you would say who was in the, and you would fill it out and put who was in the dining hall, who was in the boys,
Nick Clason (07:04.684)
Yeah. No, you said it right the second time.
Nick Clason (07:21.825)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (07:23.9)
shower room. That's probably not a good one. But yeah, not a good, yeah. And so they would, you would say, you're on six? Well, what you would say, hey kid, what weapon was in the boathouse? And they're like, the boathouse. And then they run to the boathouse and then they scour the boathouse until they find the boathouse clue. And then they say, what weapon? It was the revolver. And they get rid of it.
Nick Clason (07:25.804)
That's probably not a great place to put the clue, but you get it.
Nick Clason (07:42.498)
Gotcha.
Nick Clason (07:49.58)
Hmm. So do you give that that sheet right there that you just showed the the 15 different locations basically where they would go find the clue to every leader or to just like a singular clue point person?
Anthony Taylor (08:04.262)
It's up to you and how you want to do it. We've done, yeah. I liked that we had, we're a multi-site church, so at our camp we have eight staff people, student pastors. I liked it that kids had to go to find a student pastor. One year, doesn't have to be theirs. We gave it to every leader and Camp Clu gets solved like this.
Nick Clason (08:06.83)
What's the best what you've done it? Yeah, what's the what did you find?
Nick Clason (08:19.331)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (08:23.38)
Any student, doesn't have to be theirs? Okay, great.
Nick Clason (08:32.917)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (08:33.876)
because they go to their leader and then they say, it's in the boathouse. And they're literally, their leader walks with them to the boathouse and they're like, well, what's the next one? What's the next one? And you can solve it really quickly. That didn't work well. So I would say, yeah, if you could make it less is better, but still having a relationship. Because I want kids having a relationship. like, man, who is at the boathouse? Mrs. P. Kier, that's cool. You got it right. You want the next one? Hey, how's it going? How's your day? And it's a relational tool.
Nick Clason (08:43.694)
Yeah, it goes pretty quick, yeah.
Nick Clason (09:02.03)
I like that. Yeah, I like that. No, that's cool.
Anthony Taylor (09:03.774)
But you could have a camp master. It would be cool if you had, you know, we have a couple leaders that have some disabilities that are, not running around. They're not doing all the things. Like what if they were the camp clue person and they were the king leader because they had all the information, like they would feel good.
Nick Clason (09:12.141)
Right.
Nick Clason (09:19.886)
Yeah, yeah, I know it'd be cool. I do like that and I think, be honest, like I remember when this came out, I watched your guys video on DYM. I think I even bought it, which we'll link down below so people can go get it you can get your 30 cents of royalties from it. Yeah, yeah, but I'm realizing now, because my kids were very little back then when I got the game, I'm realizing now I didn't know how to play
Anthony Taylor (09:32.083)
Yeah.
I need my three cents, yeah.
Nick Clason (09:49.934)
regular clue. And so I didn't, I didn't understand the concept mostly because I'm an idiot. But now that you're explaining it to me, now that my kids are older and I've since played the board game clue, I'm like, this makes complete sense. But you, kind of had to have a basic understanding of how the actual game works or not be the dumbest person ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I like, I do like these types of games are my favorite or or activities. Like, well, maybe this isn't like you call it a game because this
Anthony Taylor (10:06.824)
Yeah, you have to have children or teenagers who have played Clue.
Nick Clason (10:19.754)
It's not earth ball and kids aren't leaving like sweaty or hospitalized, but I, yes, that's exactly what I'm looking for. And it's, and it's optional, right? Like it's not required. but you know, sometimes those like day three of free time, that's like several hours long and kids are like, I don't know what to do. I'm tired of the lake and I'm tired of the things that are available. And I'm just kind of bored. Like this stuff like this that exists is like, well, can you
Anthony Taylor (10:20.008)
Yeah. Yeah. We want an ongoing activity, right? Yeah.
Nick Clason (10:48.566)
Have you figured out Camp Clu yet? Like it's a great way to just keep them going, you know? And it's, like you said, a little bit of work on the front end, but like once you've done that, like it sits there and kind of like runs itself in the background, you know?
Anthony Taylor (11:01.268)
Yeah. You know, I look around my desk, see if I have it. The predecessor of this was a giant, giant rubber chicken we spray painted gold. And the idea was there is a rubber chicken at this camp. Go find it. And so on a day and you didn't want any, you didn't have anything to do, you just go look for a rubber chicken. And then if it didn't happen day one,
Nick Clason (11:09.144)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (11:14.242)
Okay.
Nick Clason (11:20.226)
Somewhere. Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (11:30.504)
you would say, just so you know, rubber chicken is higher than your eyesight on day two. And you're like, yeah, and that was the camp clue. so, if you don't wanna buy this, I don't know, it's three bucks, five bucks, I don't know what it is. Yeah, but if you can't afford, yeah, that's right, I think it is, yeah. But if not, just grab something and say, hey, we're hiding this, and.
Nick Clason (11:35.229)
Okay, give little clues.
Nice.
Nick Clason (11:44.534)
Yeah, it's very affordable. And if you remember, it's like basically free. Like just just go get it, people.
Nick Clason (11:56.856)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (11:57.746)
And when you find it, that's the other cool thing is when you find it, now you and your leader, you get to go re-hide it. And we'll give you a cheesy bread at the canteen.
Nick Clason (12:04.544)
okay, nice.
Nick Clason (12:09.782)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. what are some of the other, you said you got some other stuff, like what are some other stuff you guys have come up with?
Anthony Taylor (12:18.071)
yeah.
Yeah, we're in Chicago land area and just north of us in Wisconsin is a camp called Lake Geneva Youth Camp Lake Geneva Youth Camp. And honestly, if if anybody listening, this was like all of those ideas are terrible. Just call them. They're they're really creative. They do this really well. I went up and sat with them and just said, like, tell me all the things that you do. So.
Nick Clason (12:45.09)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (12:46.356)
So we've gone from this, which is kind of in depth, it takes a little bit of time and that stuff, to these guys, the Baby Jesus things, So I don't know, we bought a thousand of these. And when we went to camp and we hid them, and they're hidden everywhere. They're like ridiculous places and fun places and right above door frames where everybody sees them.
Nick Clason (12:58.011)
yeah, yeah.
Nick Clason (13:13.582)
Sure.
Anthony Taylor (13:15.214)
and you collect them and you can turn in your Jesus's for tickets. so this is crazy because, know, the kid, his name was Dom. Dom had 55 baby Jesus's in his pockets, know, cargo pants full and he got 55 tickets, but we didn't tell them what the tickets are for. And at the end of the weekend, it was, we did an extreme game show and we gave away
Nick Clason (13:20.226)
Okay.
Nick Clason (13:31.342)
That's hilarious, yeah.
Nick Clason (13:42.39)
Okay.
Anthony Taylor (13:43.924)
Nintendo Switch and TV and Mittens and a Lululemon bag. You know, we had, I don't know, we had a hundred prizes. Twenty were awesome. Well, you could put your ticket in to potentially get the thing. Dom had. Yeah. And everyone got three tickets, but Dom had 55 plus three tickets. And Dom's like, I got a Lululemon bag and Mountain Dew and a TV and, know, and so.
Nick Clason (13:50.028)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (13:57.336)
like a raffle kind of thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Nick Clason (14:09.582)
Yeah, that's awesome.
Anthony Taylor (14:12.116)
So that hiding baby Jesuses. A lot of times with our theme of whatever our retreat is or our camp is, we try to tie something to it. last year was move and it was all like car kind of stuff. And like, you are the driver of your faith. So I went on eBay and for $150, I ordered, I think it was like 300 keys, driver ignition keys. I hid them everywhere.
Nick Clason (14:26.912)
Mmm. Yeah.
Nick Clason (14:38.456)
Yeah.
Okay.
Anthony Taylor (14:41.934)
And it was kind of the same concept. Like you get a driver ignition key, except that one, you got to keep the key, which was kind of fun. And so you had a, it was fun. There was like a Maserati key with a key fob. You're like, you, you ever find that Maserati it's yours,
Nick Clason (14:48.832)
yeah.
Nick Clason (14:54.038)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. How do you, okay, let me ask you like a logistical question. How do you hide a thousand baby Jesuses while camp, like do you send someone up early or like what's your actual flow so that while you're hiding them, kids aren't seeing you hide them?
Anthony Taylor (15:14.706)
Yeah, yep, beforehand our team disperse us. Sometimes we'll bring student leaders in and be like, listen, if you choose to help us, you don't get to play the game. Yeah, and they're like, cool, what? That's awesome. They're like, I'm 18 anyways. I don't really wanna play the baby. Yeah, I don't care, it's not that cool. But can I have one baby Jesus? I'm like, yeah, you can. So yeah, we hide them. But the funny thing is, is with the keys,
Nick Clason (15:20.567)
Okay.
Nick Clason (15:24.492)
Yeah, you're eliminated from, yeah.
Nick Clason (15:29.356)
Yeah, yeah. I don't care. Yeah.
That's funny.
Anthony Taylor (15:43.796)
If you found the key and turned in five keys, I would give you a button. So it was a trade rate, five keys to a button, 10 keys to a, there was something a little bigger, I forget. And so you would get this thing, we would get the keys back. This was for a winter conference. Everyone would go home at night and then I'd stay a little late and I'd rehide those same keys. And so it didn't cost me anything. I didn't have to like,
Nick Clason (15:54.829)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (16:09.362)
Nice, Right. That's funny.
Anthony Taylor (16:12.34)
keep buying more keys, I just re-hit the same keys, yeah. And one person put, taped a key inside of our vending machine so you could see it, but you couldn't get it, and the can would come down and hit the key on the window, and so kids were buying pops to see if they could knock the key, and I was like, that was, I don't know who did it, it was one of our staff did it. That was funny, we sold a ton of Dr. Pepper. It's right there.
Nick Clason (16:20.343)
Nick Clason (16:32.333)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (16:35.808)
Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, because it's right in line with the key. So yeah, dude, no, I love it. And it's super smart and also like really just very simple. So and are there any like any other like best practices or like things that you've learned over the years with these kind of like in the background games that that are potential pitfalls for youth pastors? Or is it just like don't it's simple. Just go do it.
Anthony Taylor (17:06.788)
one, one year, it was Jesus or the keys. I forget. It was either baby Jesus or the keys. It became too central of a thing. And people were like, it was Jesus. I can't find any more Jesuses because they were hoarding them and like Dom had 50, you know? And, yeah. And, that was disappointing.
Nick Clason (17:24.776)
Mm. Mm. Yeah, Dom.
Nick Clason (17:34.541)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (17:35.348)
So what I did was I overnight Amazoned another 500 Jesus's. They showed up, I think at like six in the morning. It was like that prime thing, six in the morning. And then I just went and hid them all. And I realized that this thing was driving my life. And I didn't want the baby Jesus thing driving my life. So to think about like, is it scalable? Can enough people have fun, but not too many? Are you gonna run out of stuff?
Nick Clason (17:45.122)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (17:51.863)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (18:04.364)
Yeah, that's good.
Anthony Taylor (18:05.304)
and can you recycle it? So if Camp Clue is done in day one of a five day camp, go rip all those things down, switch everything up, play Camp Clue version two. And so just think in the background of that.
Nick Clason (18:11.619)
Right.
Nick Clason (18:19.427)
Yeah.
No, that's good. Cause I think like you, you don't ever want the main thing of camp to stop being the main thing of camp, right? Like you want it to be a hundred, but not, but not the little Jesus is the real Jesus. Yeah. But like when, cause sometimes those things and that's all like, have, I have a really young staff and they have amazing ideas, but sometimes they don't think through all of those little like nuances of like, if we do this thing, some kids going to cheat.
Anthony Taylor (18:29.65)
which is Jesus in the sessions and the relationship.
No, that's good, yeah.
Nick Clason (18:52.31)
what's our counter attack to that cheating kid or how do we make sure that we have a level playing field and we're not giving favor to just people who really good at this or whatever that might be. And that word right there is a pro youth worker move for sure. Because you can't let that stuff take you down, but it can because kids can get so ingrained with it.
Anthony Taylor (19:15.442)
Yeah, well, and honestly, these side games for the kid who's not athletic and wants to feel awesome can take over their lives on accident and they miss all of camp, you know? And so the key really is making sure leaders have a pulse on who their kids are, what they're doing. And if Dom doesn't show up to anything because he's looking for baby Jesuses, his leader needs to navigate him differently.
Nick Clason (19:24.309)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Nick Clason (19:37.974)
Yeah, he missed all the worship sessions, but he got 55 baby. Yeah, exactly. So no, that's a really good word. Sweet.
Anthony Taylor (19:44.808)
Yeah, yeah. One day, got two more thoughts. One day we got a giant toolbox, a toolbox, and put chains all over it, and then we put locks on them, and it was a giant escape room to get in. And all throughout the building there were clues, and you had to find the clues, and those clues got you to unlock three different locks, three number locks.
Nick Clason (19:50.946)
Go for it.
Nick Clason (20:00.054)
Mmm.
Okay.
Nick Clason (20:13.367)
Yeah, yeah.
Anthony Taylor (20:14.688)
And that was really fun because there was a thing you could do, but you couldn't unlock until you had all three. And so you're like, I got one. And then, know, by day three or four, you could get in the lock. That was really fun. And then when you opened it up, the scalable thing was we would we would put stanchions around it and the crowd had to get behind and someone would be like, escape. And that meant that they were going to open the thing and it would open up so that the crowd couldn't see into it.
Nick Clason (20:44.599)
Okay, yeah.
Anthony Taylor (20:45.164)
And I would lean in and I like, look down in there and I need you to come out with like, shut up. my goodness. Like what? And then we're going to close it, lock it back up for the next person. And I would just change the prize out. was just a piece of paper. And the piece of paper said, I'll order Starbucks for you and your whole, your friend group. then you close it and the next one's Dunkin Donuts for you and your friend group. The next one's a Taco Bell Party Pack for you. And so that was scalable because a different prize.
Nick Clason (21:04.323)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (21:11.917)
Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (21:14.27)
but no one saw, so there was still the allure of.
Nick Clason (21:17.218)
Yeah, you're not giving it away. Yeah, no, that's good. That's good. I like that. That's a fun one.
Anthony Taylor (21:20.552)
Yeah. Yeah. And then the, the, yeah, I think that was pretty cool. The other one we just did, it's going to happen next weekend. our, our winter conference next weekend is, do you know what Marine or, ammo, ammo shell casing things are? They have a little latch. They're supposed to put ammo in it. Like for guns, usually they're green ammo boxes. They sell them on Amazon.
Nick Clason (21:42.51)
maybe. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.
Anthony Taylor (21:48.036)
orange for marine so that they're watertight and they have a little latch clasp and we put a different locks on them and there are nine escape boxes and the box in some way directs you to something in the place that helps you get the code and then when they open that up inside is a playing card and I just took a deck of 52 grab playing cards and threw a playing card in there and dumb-dumbs because you wanna you need a dumb-dumb in
Nick Clason (21:50.814)
gotcha.
Nick Clason (21:58.797)
Okay.
Nick Clason (22:14.69)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anthony Taylor (22:16.596)
They get the card out, they go turn it in and that card gets them tickets. So an ace gets them 11, a king gets them 10, a three gets them three. And then all we do is randomly pick another card, throw it in, lock it back up. And so there's going to be eight escape rooms kind of out and about. What's that thing? I'm excited about that.
Nick Clason (22:22.453)
Okay.
Nick Clason (22:31.852)
Yeah, that's cool. How do they, how do they like solve it or, get into it?
Anthony Taylor (22:38.708)
Yeah, each one's different. like one says, one says, there's a fire sweeping in from the north heading south. Don't be alarmed. And that's it. And then if you go at the north side of our building and find a fire alarm, it has a dot on it. It says six. And then the, from north to south, you find all the fire alarms and it's six, seven, six, seven.
Nick Clason (22:52.654)
Okay.
Nick Clason (23:02.414)
Right.
Nick Clason (23:07.406)
Nice. I know. next weekend, no, you're safe. It'll be in the past. It'll be in the past. Yeah. That's cool. I like it. That's cool. That's a lot of work, but no, it's not a lot of work, but it's just really creative. It's really creative. And you're kind of the master. You should have a podcast or something about it at some time. There's lost episodes. It still exists, right? We can go.
Anthony Taylor (23:08.424)
Yeah, if this is released before then and teenagers are watching, they're gonna get it. Perfect, perfect, So, know, dorky stuff like that.
Anthony Taylor (23:25.48)
Yeah. Yeah.
Anthony Taylor (23:30.58)
You
Anthony Taylor (23:35.365)
My old podcast deal?
Nick Clason (23:36.372)
Yeah, the YM Lab. we pull those up? Yeah. We'll see if we can find them and link them down below. See if we can revive the legend of Anthony. So, all right, man. Dude, that was like an absolute gold mine. We came in talking Camp Clue and came out with like six other ideas. So you are the man. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Well, without anything else, we'll talk next time. See you guys.
Anthony Taylor (23:38.43)
Yeah. Yeah, probably. I don't even know.
Anthony Taylor (23:44.894)
That's great.
Anthony Taylor (23:57.908)
Thanks dude. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for having me.
Anthony Taylor (24:05.46)
See ya!
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TRANSCRIPT
Nick Clason (00:00.929)
Well, what's up everyone? Here I am with the world's biggest Mavericks fan, Ben Hurlburt, willing to lose bets no matter how bad they are.
Ben Hurlburt (00:05.998)
That's right, you know it. Google it, it, and you'll than your favorite player.
Ben Hurlburt (00:14.03)
Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah.
Nick Clason (00:15.775)
That's also true. But me and Ben actually worked together at Cross Creek Church, which is great. And I didn't know that Ben was a genius at artificial intelligence. So before we dive into all that, why don't you just tell me where you first started playing the original inception of these sniper games and...
Ben Hurlburt (00:23.746)
Have a
Nick Clason (00:41.601)
how like what the rules are and like all that type of stuff in case, know, someone wants to use or utilize this in their like own ministry context.
Ben Hurlburt (00:51.468)
Yeah, so I started this. I didn't start this, but I started playing the game of sniper at Texas A when I was in college. honestly, it wasn't even a game. was it was just a bunch of friends in a group chat.
who thought it was really funny whenever we would see each other in person as a, like not in our normal context. So like we all went to church together, but A has a huge campus. So we thought it was really funny whenever we see each other on campus. So we just like take a picture of each other from like really far away and then not say anything like to them in person. We just sent the picture of them and it was kind of like, yo, they were there and where'd they go? And it started off just kind of, you know, like, ha ha, I saw you in person. And then it got a lot.
more competitive as it went on. People didn't want to be sniped, if you will. We had certain buildings where it was like, no, don't snipe me in there. I could be doing something with, I could be on something job related, because you've got all these job fairs and stuff like that all the time. So people didn't want to be distracted. So it kind of morphed from this just kind of funny, ha ha, I saw you in person to getting
really really competitive and while it never became like a fully fledged game it always the sport management major in me always saw like the untapped potential for like some crazy stupid like game that people could play on their phones and actually like you know you're still kind of behind the screen but it's all about what's actually happening in front of you so yeah
Nick Clason (02:28.375)
Yeah. All right. So the basic premise though, is you have a group of people, a pool of players, so to speak, and your goal is to capture them via a picture of using your cell phone. Like basic, simple, right? Yeah, so easy. And then like enter fall 2025, where we work. Because we're the youth ministry and we're the only fun ones, it's our job to run
Ben Hurlburt (02:33.326)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (02:40.0)
Right. Yeah. So easy.
Ben Hurlburt (02:50.093)
Thank you.
Nick Clason (02:57.227)
fantasy football for the whole staff. we have like, for context, we have, it's not just like a Yahoo league of like eight people. There's like 30 people in three different leagues. And it's like a big thing, which reminds me that I still need to send a recap email about the end of the season. But I've really fallen off here at the end of the year. But we're playing, what'd say?
Ben Hurlburt (02:59.424)
Right, of course.
Ben Hurlburt (03:07.662)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (03:18.798)
It wasn't close. Yeah, sorry. I was like, it just wasn't close. Like, you just ran away with it.
Nick Clason (03:23.753)
Yeah.
And we got to figure out, and we tried this year even, right? We threw a wrinkle in it to try to make, because what we're describing is there's three different leagues and the leagues compete against each other. And every year one league jumps out into like first place of like the points and that's it. They stay. And we don't know how to like make it closer, make the race like actually interesting, which this sniper game was our attempt to make it interesting. So like,
Ben Hurlburt (03:41.218)
And they stay. Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (03:48.471)
Okay.
Nick Clason (03:54.823)
Essentially, we created, what did we call, do we call them assassins in the league? There were two dormant players in every league that, yeah, they drafted players and then they held them hostage, because it's all points-based, so it's not like wins and loss-based. If I drafted someone in Ben's league, for example, that player's points didn't count toward the league total overall. However,
Ben Hurlburt (04:19.566)
Thank
Nick Clason (04:21.951)
we have this big conference that happens in the middle of the fall, like the first week of November. We invite a bunch of other pastors and church planters to our campus and the entire staff is sort of pulling it off together. And so we were like, what if we created a sniper game to release these held hostage players into the overall player pool? Because like, for example, and again,
the Colts fell off too, just like I fell off in fantasy football. Like Jonathan Taylor at this point was the MVP of the league. And then, yeah, but since then has done nothing, just like the actual team. so anyway, we're like, well, what if we give Jonathan Taylor's points, Saquon Barkley's points, whoever was on these, these hostage, you know, players back into the pool and the way that you release them is by playing this sniper game. And we were like,
talking it out, right? And I was like, it'd be really cool if I didn't have to like manually score this because I do have to manually score the fantasy football. Like I have to go in, have to write everyone's score into a spreadsheet and let Excel do its thing. And you were like, what if we built our own custom app using AI? And I like laughed at you. I was like, we're not gonna be able to do that. Like, what do you think this is? Like the year 3000? Like, no.
Ben Hurlburt (05:45.186)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (05:47.959)
And I think one night you abandoned all of your husband duties and you just went, yeah, you're like, I'm gonna prove that this can happen. So tell us that story.
Ben Hurlburt (06:02.424)
So I think we were just sitting there watching, my wife, Makayla and I were sitting there watching some movie and I just, don't know, I just, the entire day I was sitting there thinking like, I swear I can pull this off. Like, this isn't going to be that hard. And the movie didn't really, and the movie didn't really have me locked in. So I was like, yo, you cool if I just like look at this for like five minutes or something, Makayla? She was like, yeah, as long as it's only five minutes. And then it-
Nick Clason (06:14.074)
It's gotta be a way, yeah.
Nick Clason (06:26.611)
And five minutes turned into what?
Ben Hurlburt (06:28.93)
Five hours. yeah, so I just basically started doing some research online, trying to like find a way because like, I'll be so honest, like I can't like generate code. Like I wouldn't know the first thing about any of that. Like I'm a sport management major for God sakes. But yeah.
Nick Clason (06:48.221)
and a worship leader and a youth pastor. Like, we don't know what we're doing, yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (06:52.398)
Expertise is not in that field. you know, so I was like, you know, I know what I need though. Like I can see the app in my head, like digital native. Like I know what this thing needs. So I was like, let's just see if one of these like AI app like things work. AI app generator things works. And it did. Base 44, dude. It was insane. I just started cooking like just.
Nick Clason (07:11.884)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (07:20.832)
like create like four different tabs like make sure that like each one has this specific function. I even you even get a like color designer I was like yo this is great for the graphic design I'm part of my part of my brain I scratched that itch so yeah I mean
Nick Clason (07:37.143)
Now, bass, bass 44, is it free or is there a free version of it or how like, yeah, so talk about that a little bit.
Ben Hurlburt (07:42.016)
No.
Ben Hurlburt (07:45.902)
I think there is a free version of it. The only problem is, and there were a couple of important things, is once you create the app, it's not like something you can download on the App Store. It's weird what the definition of app is, at least in my head, considering I'm thinking of the App Store. But it's everything is like, it's more so of a website than it is actually like an app as we would think it. So part of the reason that like,
Nick Clason (07:57.569)
Right.
Nick Clason (08:10.987)
Yeah, yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (08:15.948)
I felt the need to have to pay for it is that the URL might not remain in your possession.
And it could be in the middle of the game, right? Like somebody else that is on base 44 with the subscription could come up with the URL or just anybody who creates a URL in general. could be taken. So I was like, nah, we have to pay for that. That alone is worth it. And the other one is you could give it more prompts. It opens to more statistics things.
Nick Clason (08:54.347)
Mm-hmm.
Ben Hurlburt (08:57.644)
like being able to analyze like actually how the app is performing as opposed to just like typing in what I would like for it to do.
Nick Clason (09:04.617)
Yeah, and I think too, if I remember right, you were able to build it and you were able to see it, but then in order to allow others in it or something like that, like we needed to unlock it behind some sort of paywall, which I think, mean, like for example, I think the cost was in the realm of like 20 something dollars, right? So like.
Ben Hurlburt (09:27.921)
right yeah
Nick Clason (09:30.389)
And we use this for three days, like the same length of like a winter retreat or like a D-NOW or like a summer camp. So if this was something that A, you you allowed your students to have phones and most of them did have phones, but then B, you had that same amount of time, like you could unlock it for just a couple of dollars, right? 20 bucks, whatever. And then use Ben's prompt, which I've included link in the description. Go check it out if you want to go grab it, to build something.
you with your, you and you tweak it for yourself with your own context and whatever in mind, but like, build something for $20 that's custom that can be used exclusively by your people. Like Ben said, it wasn't like an app store app, but it was like a web app. Right. And so you just, yeah. you sit in it, like there was some, glitched a little, but bro, I mean, people used it. Like some people were absolutely like spamming this game, like the entire conference. Like every time I checked it, there was activity. It was.
Ben Hurlburt (10:11.404)
It works really well.
Nick Clason (10:26.775)
And it was a really fun way to infuse a little bit of life, right? Because not everyone at the conference used it. I think that's the other thing was like, if you wanted to do something like this, could maybe let students sign up for it and only the ones signed up are playing it. And it just happens in the background. You do the rest of your programming for your Dean hour, your winter retreat, and whoever has the phone or whoever is able to or.
Ben Hurlburt (10:33.346)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (10:52.053)
your student leadership team or your staff or like there's all kinds of different adaptations because that's we had church planters and other pastors and we didn't invite them or even let them know that it was happening unless they saw us like take our phone out and like sneak behind a wall to try and take a picture. So it's a great way to build camaraderie with a smaller subset of people you know if that's something you want to do and that's that's exactly what happened like in our context.
Ben Hurlburt (11:17.388)
Yeah, no, it was honestly a lot of fun. I think some of the glitches came from stuff that you could probably take care of in person, like Nick was talking about. one of the worst things was that in my head I was like, yo, I don't know if somebody fully gets that.
participating in this app means that somebody could take a picture of you at any point in time. And I was like, I don't want to get any invasion of privacy. Like that wouldn't be great. so I had this, like, you had to opt in button and whenever like,
Nick Clason (11:45.909)
Right.
Ben Hurlburt (11:52.782)
Sometimes it wouldn't, like it couldn't click. One of our friends, Miranda's phone, it just wouldn't scroll down to be able to click opt-in because of the version of her iPhone was a little bit older. something like that though, that I did on the app could have totally been something that in person, if your students are playing it, you can just have them be like, yo, I'm like.
by agreeing to play this game like I'm just gonna happen. Another thing too is, and this was probably the best thing about this app, and I know I was thinking of just for adults, but for students could also be a thing. You can program the app to shut down.
at certain times of day. And I didn't really test it out a lot, I mean, just given what it was capable of, might even be, you might even be able to like geo locate where the app is functioning. At a minimum, you have control over when the app is up, when the app is down, you can just shut it off. And you know, you have like, just like a kill switch at all points in time, which is like housed through like your base 44, like,
like home site. So like if you don't want your kids playing that once they've left the church, like they won't if you make that call. So yeah.
Nick Clason (13:08.288)
Mm-hmm.
Nick Clason (13:18.359)
Yeah. And like, and then just for, for everyone else's sake, like here's how we put the rules in, right? Like here are the rules that we tried to operate by. So it was a three day conference, then put like a start, a start and stop time on those three days. Uh, so that people weren't like getting tagged at home, which I don't know that anyone in our staff would have done that, but you never know. People get crazy. Um, we said,
Ben Hurlburt (13:26.382)
you
Ben Hurlburt (13:43.266)
Yeah. Yeah.
Nick Clason (13:46.071)
We said you were not allowed to play the game during main sessions or breakouts, so main content times. And the other thing that was cool was you could report a photo. if I took a picture of you while you're leading worship, for example, someone can report that and negate the points that it would have given to that team because...
Ben Hurlburt (13:54.051)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (14:01.512)
Okay, I can do that,
Nick Clason (14:12.683)
they were doing it outside of the boundaries. And so that was another thing was there was like a self regular, or not like a self, but like a team regulation, right? Kind of woven into the app. And again, Ben wrote all that into the code or into the prompt there. And so, and then we also said like bathrooms and offices were off limits. So you had like your safe zone, which remember like our team, like our students team, like all, how many are there? Six of us? We were all playing and we were all just like,
Ben Hurlburt (14:38.893)
Thanks a lot.
Nick Clason (14:41.895)
hold up in our own offices because we were all killing each other. And so we all just like went to our office to like gain safety. And then like I'd like be walking to the bathroom, like holding my phone like at people so that like they wouldn't like take pictures of me. And like one time I came out of the bathroom and like our resident and intern, they like used it against me. Like the resident was like, Hey, can you come here and look at this for a second? And so like I walked towards him and then the intern was like behind me and like
Ben Hurlburt (14:46.167)
I'm
Nick Clason (15:11.905)
got me taking a picture or got a picture of me. Like those two turds, totally got me. And then I think was the last one was you couldn't be looking at the camera.
Ben Hurlburt (15:17.57)
Yes. Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (15:23.498)
you can't be like, you can't be looking at either the person taking the photo or I mean, they're right there or the camera.
Nick Clason (15:29.289)
Yeah, so you can basically have a shield if you look at if someone's trying to take a picture of you you catch them with your eyeballs like that doesn't count.
Ben Hurlburt (15:38.018)
Yeah, it wouldn't be any fun if like you and I were just like sitting here like talking and just like taking a picture of the whole time. Yeah, but I will say like one thing that like I know that assassin is like really really popular. One thing I do like about sniper apparent like opposed to assassin is that once you're out an assassin like
Nick Clason (15:42.436)
Spamming each other with pictures. Yeah, exactly
Ben Hurlburt (15:59.968)
unless like someone like brings you back to life or some weird like immunity thing happens like you're out. And like I remember playing Assassin in college twice and one time I made it pretty far but the first time like I had like a friend that get let into my house like on the first day and I was just like well I was so excited to play this and now like like
Nick Clason (16:06.251)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (16:21.537)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (16:22.892)
dead like there's nothing I can do so like I would say that sniper gives you the opportunity like kids keep playing like and I get it I'm telling you it got competitive at work like the younger people on staff were going crazy over this thing so yeah
Nick Clason (16:31.446)
Yeah.
Nick Clason (16:41.471)
Yeah. Yeah. It was super fun. agree. Anything else that you learned that you would maybe do differently or any words of wisdom if anyone were to try to take your prompt and put in base 44, either on the creating of the app side of things or just the gameplay side of things that maybe we discovered throughout the game. We'll make an adjustment on this next year if we did it or something like that.
Ben Hurlburt (17:09.098)
well, the first thing is that prompt that like you're going to get is like the initial starting prompt. likely if you're going to want to go a certain direction with it, you, you might need to add some tweaks. I can't remember everything that's in it right now. but like,
There's a lot that that is in it, but you will inevitably need to make some changes make some tweaks In order to like get this thing up and running so in some way it's definitely like it's it's yours like you created it but one thing I would say is like put yourself and Like the best Jesse Eisenberg social network
Nick Clason (17:37.078)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (17:53.71)
programming mindset that you can for two hours and then just never flip back into it and whatever you come up with will be a really great game, really great product. So, yeah.
Nick Clason (18:04.043)
Yeah, I will say one thing that was helpful for us, I felt like on all sides, gameplay sides and administratively keeping score was we forced people, remember we forced people to use their actual name as their handle rather than like Dragonslayer17 because if you're Dragonslayer17, but I have no clue that that's your name, I can't know to tag you. And so you don't have to do that, but that was something that I...
Ben Hurlburt (18:14.465)
You
Ben Hurlburt (18:20.278)
That's right.
Thank
Nick Clason (18:33.463)
I required them, I was like, if you don't use your actual name as your handle, I won't give you points because I'm not gonna be able to chase down everyone's hair, brain, screen name that they come up with, you know, from their AOL instant messenger days.
Ben Hurlburt (18:46.917)
Yeah, I just remembered like a whole side of this whenever like we had it so that
When you took the picture of somebody, can't just like take a picture and upload it. You have to be able to tag them. Like there's a drop down. You can type into it and pull up somebody's like, like account name. But the fun thing to it that I felt like we could have dived into more. And I don't know if other people did was I had a whole social media function to it. as opposed to like the picture just going in and just registering as a point.
Nick Clason (18:59.797)
Right.
Nick Clason (19:20.726)
Right.
Ben Hurlburt (19:21.644)
kind of went into this Instagram-esque feed where other people, that was where you could report the post, where we like talked about that. But you could also like comment on them if they were funny, you could like them, react to them. And I thought that was a cool way to like keep people ingrained, especially given how much people on social media anyway, so.
Nick Clason (19:28.289)
Mm-hmm.
Nick Clason (19:42.815)
Yeah, no doubt. And that, yeah, you're right. I would, that's where I'd log in and I'd be like, Holy smokes. Like Eli and Miranda have been like doing nothing but playing this game. So.
Ben Hurlburt (19:50.392)
Right.
Yeah, that's what I'm doing.
Nick Clason (19:55.553)
But shout out to them. So all right, anything else? Anything else that we're missing before we cut people loose to go make this game for themselves?
Ben Hurlburt (19:57.688)
Yeah.
Ben Hurlburt (20:04.312)
I'm sure there are, if it feels intimidating, don't.
Just, mean, honestly, Base 44, it was so easy. Like I, and if it didn't do what I wanted it to do, I'd be like, you didn't do what I wanted you to do. Try it again. like it, 95 % of the time that fixed the problem. So it was, it was so user friendly. It's chat GPT, but it makes an app for you. So it, mean, we're not paid, this isn't a sponsor, but I would totally use base 44. It was so simple.
Nick Clason (20:35.637)
Yeah, and Bass44, if you're listening, sponsor us.
Ben Hurlburt (20:39.214)
That would be great.
Nick Clason (20:40.439)
All right, everyone. Well, until next time, and as always, Ben, thanks for being here. See you guys soon.
Ben Hurlburt (20:46.702)
See you guys!
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