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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, A Podcast Dedicated to Current and Aspiring Intensivists.
I'm Pradip Kamat and I'm Rahul Damania and we are coming to you from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta - Emory University School of Medicine.
Welcome to our Episode of a 9 year old girl with worsening seizures in the setting of an electrolyte abnormality.
Here's the case:
A 9 year old girl presents to the ED with increased frequency of seizures, dehydration and listlessness. She has h/o of global developmental delay, congenital hydrocephalous (with VP shunt in place with her last revision 3 years prior, and seizure d/o treated with Leviteracetam. She usually has one or two focal seizures per day but on day of admission she had multiple prolonged seizures which were also generalized tonic clonic in semiology. Per her caregiver, the patient usually eats by mouth and mother typically gives her 3 cups of water daily. There is no history of diarrhea but patient has had 2-3 bouts of non-bloody non-bilous emesis on day of presentation. Looking at her growth chart, the patient has also lost ~ 2KG of her weight in the last 3 months and has had poor follow up with her PCP. In the ED she has a hypovolemic shock picture as she is hypothermic, tachycardic, tachpneic, and hypotensive with appropriate saturations. Blood gas is notable for a mild metabolic acidosis. Patient receives abortive seizure rescue. A head CT showed no increased in hydrocephalus, no mass or hemorrhage and a shunt series confirms patency of her VP shunt. Most pertinently to this case, her serum sodium on her RFP was undetectable at a value of = >200mEQ/dL; this was confirmed by a repeat lab draw and POC value. Other notable findings included an elevated Cr for age, an elevated BUN and a microcytic anemia. Patient was given a NS bolus, had cultures drawn, was started on broad spectrum abx therapy, stabilized and sent to the PICU.
To summarize key elements from this case, this patient has:
This is a great point — understanding % volume loss and its correlation to vital sign and PE anomalies is key. Remember a sensitive marker for dehydration in pediatrics is tachycardia and a late finding if you are primarily dealing with dehydration is hypotension. This indicates that counter-regulatory responses are unable to maintain adequate systemic vascular resistance (SVR) and that there is a significant loss of intravascular volume. In our patient, we also noticed her weight loss on presentation which not only brings up the concern for malnutrition but it also serves as an adjunct measure of dehydration. In fact, in a 2009 paper assessing dehydration in pediatrics it was noted that the gold standard for confirming the diagnosis of hypovolemia in children is comparison of body weight before and after rehydration.
Correct, it is important to highlight that in the setting of dehydration Hct values would be increased. In a 2006 Study in Transfusion, Valeri and colleagues concluded that the Hct values in hypovolemic anemic patients are elevated because the plasma volume does not increase to achieve the normovolemic anemic state.
OK to summarize, we have:
a. Reduce serum sodium concentration to normal in first 12 hours
b. Reduce serum sodium concentration to normal in 24 hours
c. Reduce serum sodium concentration to 150 mEq/L in 24 hours
d. Reduce serum sodium concentration by 10 mEq/L in 24 hours
The correct answer is d. Reduce serum concentration by 10-12 mEq/L in first 24 hours; you can also think of this as not correcting the sodium more than 0.5 meQ/L per hour → thus in 24 hrs you should not lower the sodium by more than 12. I think listeners should remember that it is important to gradually lower the sodium in patients who have developed hypernatremia slowly over a period of days especially when Na is > 165mEq/L. Pradip, why is this?
A mnemonic that can be useful is high to low the brain will blow; i.e. if a patient has chronic hypernatremia that is corrected too acutely, you have the potential to develop cerebral edema. In a landmark study published in NEJM in 2015, the authors concluded that rapid correction of hypernatremia can lead to cerebral edema to the relative inability of the brain to extrude idiogenic osmoles. Furthermore a study published in pediatric emergency care in 2013 showed that serum sodium correction rate > 0.5 mEq/L/hour was associated with increased risk of mortality and convulsion in neonates with hypernatremia dehydration admitted to neonatal intensive care unit.
Rahul: what would be some of the anatomic changes seen in the brain due to the resultant hyperosmolarity from hypernatremia?
I'd like to make a big point about the phenomena of sinus venous thrombosis as this has been well described in Pediatric Review articles. Taking it back to the basics, Virchow's triad gives us a framework on how to think about mechanisms of thrombosis. During hypernatremic dehydration at a micro-level there is endothelial stress and subsequent injury which can subsequently lead to venous sinus thrombosis. These patients can present with altered mental status, severe headache, and seizures.
Rahul, that was a great framework → as we conclude our podcast, Iets hone in on three areas: a schema in understanding hypernatremia, a diagnostic approach, and finally a management framework.
In general, how do you think about hypernatremia?
I like this list Pradip, totally agree that a coordinated effort with nephrology can help in this setting as these patients may have renal dysfunction and there can be a collaborative effort in tracking electrolytes after we choose the appropriate rehydration fluid management. I would also recommend tracking weights as a part of your initial diagnostic plan!
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Welcome to PICU Doc On Call, A Podcast Dedicated to Current and Aspiring Intensivists.
I'm Pradip Kamat and I'm Rahul Damania and we are coming to you from Children's Healthcare of Atlanta - Emory University School of Medicine.
Welcome to our Episode of a 9 year old girl with worsening seizures in the setting of an electrolyte abnormality.
Here's the case:
A 9 year old girl presents to the ED with increased frequency of seizures, dehydration and listlessness. She has h/o of global developmental delay, congenital hydrocephalous (with VP shunt in place with her last revision 3 years prior, and seizure d/o treated with Leviteracetam. She usually has one or two focal seizures per day but on day of admission she had multiple prolonged seizures which were also generalized tonic clonic in semiology. Per her caregiver, the patient usually eats by mouth and mother typically gives her 3 cups of water daily. There is no history of diarrhea but patient has had 2-3 bouts of non-bloody non-bilous emesis on day of presentation. Looking at her growth chart, the patient has also lost ~ 2KG of her weight in the last 3 months and has had poor follow up with her PCP. In the ED she has a hypovolemic shock picture as she is hypothermic, tachycardic, tachpneic, and hypotensive with appropriate saturations. Blood gas is notable for a mild metabolic acidosis. Patient receives abortive seizure rescue. A head CT showed no increased in hydrocephalus, no mass or hemorrhage and a shunt series confirms patency of her VP shunt. Most pertinently to this case, her serum sodium on her RFP was undetectable at a value of = >200mEQ/dL; this was confirmed by a repeat lab draw and POC value. Other notable findings included an elevated Cr for age, an elevated BUN and a microcytic anemia. Patient was given a NS bolus, had cultures drawn, was started on broad spectrum abx therapy, stabilized and sent to the PICU.
To summarize key elements from this case, this patient has:
This is a great point — understanding % volume loss and its correlation to vital sign and PE anomalies is key. Remember a sensitive marker for dehydration in pediatrics is tachycardia and a late finding if you are primarily dealing with dehydration is hypotension. This indicates that counter-regulatory responses are unable to maintain adequate systemic vascular resistance (SVR) and that there is a significant loss of intravascular volume. In our patient, we also noticed her weight loss on presentation which not only brings up the concern for malnutrition but it also serves as an adjunct measure of dehydration. In fact, in a 2009 paper assessing dehydration in pediatrics it was noted that the gold standard for confirming the diagnosis of hypovolemia in children is comparison of body weight before and after rehydration.
Correct, it is important to highlight that in the setting of dehydration Hct values would be increased. In a 2006 Study in Transfusion, Valeri and colleagues concluded that the Hct values in hypovolemic anemic patients are elevated because the plasma volume does not increase to achieve the normovolemic anemic state.
OK to summarize, we have:
a. Reduce serum sodium concentration to normal in first 12 hours
b. Reduce serum sodium concentration to normal in 24 hours
c. Reduce serum sodium concentration to 150 mEq/L in 24 hours
d. Reduce serum sodium concentration by 10 mEq/L in 24 hours
The correct answer is d. Reduce serum concentration by 10-12 mEq/L in first 24 hours; you can also think of this as not correcting the sodium more than 0.5 meQ/L per hour → thus in 24 hrs you should not lower the sodium by more than 12. I think listeners should remember that it is important to gradually lower the sodium in patients who have developed hypernatremia slowly over a period of days especially when Na is > 165mEq/L. Pradip, why is this?
A mnemonic that can be useful is high to low the brain will blow; i.e. if a patient has chronic hypernatremia that is corrected too acutely, you have the potential to develop cerebral edema. In a landmark study published in NEJM in 2015, the authors concluded that rapid correction of hypernatremia can lead to cerebral edema to the relative inability of the brain to extrude idiogenic osmoles. Furthermore a study published in pediatric emergency care in 2013 showed that serum sodium correction rate > 0.5 mEq/L/hour was associated with increased risk of mortality and convulsion in neonates with hypernatremia dehydration admitted to neonatal intensive care unit.
Rahul: what would be some of the anatomic changes seen in the brain due to the resultant hyperosmolarity from hypernatremia?
I'd like to make a big point about the phenomena of sinus venous thrombosis as this has been well described in Pediatric Review articles. Taking it back to the basics, Virchow's triad gives us a framework on how to think about mechanisms of thrombosis. During hypernatremic dehydration at a micro-level there is endothelial stress and subsequent injury which can subsequently lead to venous sinus thrombosis. These patients can present with altered mental status, severe headache, and seizures.
Rahul, that was a great framework → as we conclude our podcast, Iets hone in on three areas: a schema in understanding hypernatremia, a diagnostic approach, and finally a management framework.
In general, how do you think about hypernatremia?
I like this list Pradip, totally agree that a coordinated effort with nephrology can help in this setting as these patients may have renal dysfunction and there can be a collaborative effort in tracking electrolytes after we choose the appropriate rehydration fluid management. I would also recommend tracking weights as a part of your initial diagnostic plan!
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