July 11, 2025

I don't love SaaS anymore

1 hour 26 minutes

AI and programming is a hot topic, and it feels like Brian⁩ has found that "founder/audience" fit where his interests align with a wave of audience interest. He and Justin discuss their process for making YouTube videos. Justin also asks: "how do we ensure that our worst tendencies don’t bloom" when we're making products? (Founder retreats and masterminds come up). The big topic: Brian's not loving SaaS (anymore).

Timestamps:

(00:06) - Brian's YouTube journey

(04:29) - What Brian's hoping BuilderMethods could be

(08:26) - What does Brian's YouTube video script look like?

(10:59) - Why is AI so bad for YouTube editors?

(16:57) - One thing Descript really nails

(19:44) - How Steve Jobs ruined his early companies

(24:25) - Learning about your blindspots

(28:40) - Seeking connection in mastermind groups or conferences

(38:00) - How can we make sure we don't follow our worst impulses?

(42:23) - Zooming in on our battery: what gives us energy?

(53:00) - Getting alignment between what you love and what makes you money

(01:00:10) - What might not work for one person, can be a smash hit for another

(01:03:20) - What is the paid value of content lead companies?

(01:21:07) - There are business models that are difficult

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Links mentioned in this episode

Clarity Flow - Brian's SaaS product
Transistor.fm - Justin's company
Builder Methods
The Panel Podcast (@panelpodcast.com) | TikTok
Descript: Edit Videos & Podcasts Like a Doc | AI Video Editor
DaVinci Resolve | Blackmagic Design
Dithering
Daring Fireball
Shawn Blanc: Focus Like a Boss
calf + clover creamery
Daniel Pink
Tally
Profit First - Mike Michalowicz
Mike Michalowicz – How the author of Profit First stays lean by licensing his ideas
Apple in China
Justin’s BlueSky post on Steve Jobs
The Pull Framework
Bowling drawing
Marketing help for programmers, software companies, and SaaS
Checklist idea for marketing page
Profit first professionals

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