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Today we’re talking with Rich Logis, a former Trump and MAGA supporter and pundit, who is now the founder of Leaving MAGA, an organization helping others break free from the movement.

In this episode, we talk about:

* Rich Logis's personal journey from dedicated MAGA supporter to founding Leaving MAGA

* How information bubbles and community identity can lead people to reject contradictory evidence and view those outside their group as existential threats

* The psychological process of doubting, leaving, and publicly renouncing a political movement that had become central to one's identity

* How people seeking to help loved ones still in MAGA can approach conversations with empathy and understanding

* The importance of creating new communities for those experiencing doubt, as Leaving MAGA offers an "exit ramp" for people questioning their support

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