In this episode of the Be The Church Podcast, Pastor Luke Bilberry sits down with Pastors Larry Mayberry and Michael Rubino for a raw, honest conversation about identity, comparison, and what it really means to lead like Jesus in a culture obsessed with results.

Together, they unpack the subtle ways pastors and spiritual leaders can start tying their worth to church size, platform, or performance—and how that robs us of joy, distorts our calling, and quietly erodes our souls. From confession and repentance to the simple practice of being present in your neighborhood, this conversation keeps coming back to one core question: Is your success defined by outcomes or by obedience?

Whether you’re a pastor, planter, elder, small group leader, or just stepping into spiritual leadership for the first time, this episode will challenge you to lay down comparison, step into vulnerability, and root your identity fully in Christ.

What you’ll learn:
- Why comparison quietly destroys spiritual leaders—and how to recognize it in your own heart
- How to root your identity in Christ instead of church size, platform, or performance
- Why confession, repentance, and vulnerability are non-negotiables for healthy leadership
- Practical ways to get out of your study and into the streets with non-believers
- How to redefine “success” in ministry around obedience to Jesus, not visible results

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