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When we first sat down with Zainab Hasnain — DJ, producer, and writer FKA ZEEMUFFIN — back in 2022, she was already doing something remarkable: carving out space as a Pakistani immigrant woman in one of the most male-dominated creative industries in New York City. We're re-releasing this conversation now because a lot has changed since then, and we think it's worth revisiting.

Since this episode was recorded, Zainab has played Boiler Room, Governors Ball, and Glastonbury. She opened for Palestinian-Chilean artist Elyanna across her sold-out North American Tour. She's been featured in the New York Times and appeared in the Gap's Summer Campaign. Original music is on the way.

But this conversation is about how she got here — and it's just as compelling now as it was then.

We talk about growing up between Lahore and Long Island, learning the viola, falling in love with punk and hip hop, and eventually trading a career in finance and tech for a pair of turntables. We get into what it means to be a Pakistani woman taking up space in DJ culture, the parallels between hip hop and immigrant identity, how gentrification threatens the authenticity of Black art forms, and why Zainab believes DJing is, at its core, an act of empathy.

We also talk about food. Because on Immigrantly, we always talk about food.

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BOYOT (Belong On Your Own Terms) is the next step. It’s our new app, designed to help you think through identity, culture, ambition, relationships, and the stories we carry — with guided reflections, prompts, and frameworks developed over years of conversations on this show.

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What does it feel like to leave your faith at the door, not because you're ashamed, but because you're exhausted?

In this episode of Immigrantly, host Saadia Khan sits down with Salman Khan, a journalist, composer, and Executive Producer of More Muslim, a narrative podcast that tells Muslim stories from the inside out.

Salman grew up Pakistani in Qatar, moved to New York in his late twenties, and found himself sneaking away to pray between classes — not because anyone told him he couldn't, but because the silence around him said enough.

The conversation unpacks the exhaustion of being the only Muslim in the room, how colonialism built the "Muslim aggression" myth, why the mosque became a lifeline in New York in a way it never was back home, and what it costs to be the unofficial spokesperson for 1.8 billion people.

This one is for anyone who has ever code-switched their way through an identity. Muslim or not.

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It’s thoughtful. It’s challenging. And honestly, it’s the kind of space many of us wish existed earlier in our lives.

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What do you do with grief for something that never was?

Helena de Groot spent years circling one of the most quietly radical questions a person can ask: whether or not to have a child. The result was Creation Myth — an 8-part audio memoir for CBC that became a Tribeca Festival Official Selection, landed on the New York Times Modern Love podcast, and earned praise from Death, Sex & Money to The New Yorker.

In this conversation, Helena and Saadia go to the heart of it, not the podcast, but the ache underneath it. They talk about whose grief Helena was holding while making it, what people were willing to say on tape, and what she knows now that she wishes she'd known at the start.

This episode is for anyone who has wanted, lost, chosen, or is still deciding. The grief rhymes, even when the stories don't match.

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It’s thoughtful. It’s challenging. And honestly, it’s the kind of space many of us wish existed earlier in our lives.

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What does it really mean to do good, and who gets to decide?

Saadia sits down with Dr. Rhea Rahman, an anthropologist at Brooklyn College, CUNY, and the author of Racializing the Umma: Muslim Humanitarians Beyond Black, Brown, and White. After more than a decade embedded with Islamic Relief, the largest Muslim NGO in the West, Dr. Rahman asks the questions most of us avoid: when Muslim organizations fly across the world to help, whose definition of "help" are they using?

The episode gets into:

The "good Muslim" trap-how Islamic charities are pressured to depoliticize themselves to gain Western acceptance

Racial hierarchies inside Muslim communities and why South Asian Muslims are often disconnected from Black Muslim struggles

The savior mentality immigrants unknowingly inherit  and the hard work of unlearning it

A radical reframe of Zakat: it's not charity. It's returning what was never yours to begin with

What abolitionist Muslims and mutual aid movements are building as an alternative

Whether you work in a nonprofit, donate to Islamic causes, or have ever questioned whether your good intentions are actually good, this one will sit with you.

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BOYOT (Belong On Your Own Terms) is the next step. It’s our new app, designed to help you think through identity, culture, ambition, relationships, and the stories we carry — with guided reflections, prompts, and frameworks developed over years of conversations on this show.

It’s thoughtful. It’s challenging. And honestly, it’s the kind of space many of us wish existed earlier in our lives.

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We love to romanticize food as a universal connector. But behind every plate is a story of power, privilege, and who gets to define what's "authentic."

We're bringing this one back because it hits harder than ever. Chef, food activist, and Studio ATAO founder Jenny Dorsey joins Saadia Khan to expose the uncomfortable truths about race, class, colonialism, and the politics of food. From childhood shame to the myth of fine dining, this is a raw conversation about who controls the narrative and who gets left out.

With SNAP cuts hitting millions, food insecurity rising, and the government eliminating the data we use to track hunger, this episode is more urgent in 2026 than when we first recorded it in June 2025

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BOYOT (Belong On Your Own Terms) is the next step. It’s our new app, designed to help you think through identity, culture, ambition, relationships, and the stories we carry — with guided reflections, prompts, and frameworks developed over years of conversations on this show.

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How do you let yourself celebrate Eid when the world feels like it's falling apart? In this solo episode, host Saadia Khan reflects on the guilt and tension that came up this Eid and what it means to hold joy and grief at the same time. She unpacks two traps most of us fall into (performing grief vs. total compartmentalization), and makes the case that the two aren't opposites. This one is for anyone who has ever felt guilty for having a good moment or felt torn between living their life and staying awake to the world.

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BOYOT (Belong On Your Own Terms) is the next step. It’s our new app, designed to help you think through identity, culture, ambition, relationships, and the stories we carry — with guided reflections, prompts, and frameworks developed over years of conversations on this show.

It’s thoughtful. It’s challenging. And honestly, it’s the kind of space many of us wish existed earlier in our lives.

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What if reading the right book or watching the right film could transform how you see the world, the same way psychedelics do?

In this episode, Saadia Khan sits down with Ramzi Fawaz, professor of English at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, queer theorist, comic book scholar, and host of 'Nerd from the Future'. Ramzi's upcoming book “How to Think Like a Multiverse” makes a bold argument: that the humanities' art, literature, and media can function as psychedelic therapy, cracking open the way we think, feel, and relate to one another.

But this conversation goes far deeper than the classroom. Saadia and Ramzi unpack why young people are actually more self-aware than we give them credit for, what we get wrong about "woke" culture, how resentment can be a tool for healing (not just destruction), why identity is something you live — not own — and what it really means to stay in your lane as a form of activism.

Ramzi also gets personal about navigating sexual hierarchies in gay male culture, growing up Lebanese American in Orange County, and how his own name carries the weight of culture, language, and love.

This is one of those rare conversations that makes you want to rethink how you see yourself.

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BOYOT (Belong On Your Own Terms) is the next step. It’s our new app, designed to help you think through identity, culture, ambition, relationships, and the stories we carry — with guided reflections, prompts, and frameworks developed over years of conversations on this show.

It’s thoughtful. It’s challenging. And honestly, it’s the kind of space many of us wish existed earlier in our lives.

If you’re ready to go deeper than the podcast, subscribe to BOYOT and start the journey.

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Jonnie Park was born in Argentina to Korean parents, crossed the US-Mexico border undocumented at age three, carried by a mother with two toddlers and nothing but courage, and grew up in Koreatown, Los Angeles, caught between Korean, Latino, and Black American culture.

He became one of the only Asian battle rappers in history to gain mainstream notoriety, starred in Run DMC, appeared in Awkafina is Nora from Queens, voiced a character in Raya and the Last Dragon, and now he's written a memoir, Spit: A Life in Battles, which drops on April 14th.

In this episode, Jonnie and Sadia get into what it actually felt like to step into a battle rap circle surrounded by hundreds of people, how hip hop taught him to be unapologetically Asian, the complicated relationship with his father that he had to write about first before anything else, and why immigrants, including his mother, built the best parts of America.

This episode covers: undocumented immigration, Korean American identity, battle rap culture, cultural appropriation vs. appreciation, Asian American representation in Hollywood, memoir writing, and generational trauma.

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Host & Producer: Saadia Khan I Content Writer: Saadia Khan I Editorial review: Shei Yu I Sound Designer & Editor: Lou Raskin I Immigrantly Theme Music: Simon Hutchinson | Other Music: Epidemic Sound

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Today, we’re bringing you a special feed drop from ReCurrent, a podcast from the Getty that explores how art, history, and culture shape the world around us.

In this episode of ReCurrent, host Jaime Roque takes us back to 1980s Los Angeles, when civil wars in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Nicaragua sent hundreds of thousands of people north and helped turn LA into “Little Central America.” With professor and longtime participant Rubén Martínez as our guide—someone who lived through this moment firsthand—we follow the Sanctuary Movement as churches quietly, and then publicly, open their doors to refugees the U.S. refused to recognize. Sanctuary meant food and a place to sleep, but it also meant music, theater, poetry, and posters that challenged U.S. policy while helping people process their grief.

From there, we step inside Echo Park United Methodist Church, where artist and performer Elia Arce and a circle of Central American poets, musicians, and organizers transform the basement into a cultural home. We also sit with Rev. David Farley, pastor emeritus of Echo Park United Methodist, who was there to witness it all. Upstairs, families try to stay invisible on classroom floors; downstairs, performances inspired by banned writers, songs from back home, and handmade banners turn fear and exile into shared story.

Our last stop is the Getty Research Institute, where researcher Jasmine Magaña—a Salvadoran Angeleno herself—is helping build a new, expansive record of this era. 

Learn more about the episode here: https://www.getty.edu/podcasts/recurrent/central-american-art-and-resistance-in-1980s-la/

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Perfection is overrated.

In this episode of Immigrantly, Saadia Khan sits down with Iranian-American podcaster Sheila Kazan (Small Talk with Sheila) to talk rom-com heroines, immigrant identity, the truth about Iran beyond headlines, and why your next pivot might be your best move.

They explore:

It's smart, funny, and refreshingly honest.

Listen now.

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