Be wary of a politician who promises to get net migration down to the tens of thousands. Several have tried in recent years, but none has succeeded. Net migration - in part thanks to one off events like the war in Ukraine and the crackdown in Hong Kong, and in spite of Brexit - is now at a record high. John Curtice and Rachel Wolf talk to Madeleine Sumption who runs the Migration Observatory at Oxford University to find out why this is the case and they explore how our attitudes toward immigration have changed over time.

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