In & Around Podcasting

In episode 14, we discussed whether the V4V - Value4Value - model was dead, with a focus on streaming sats (Satoshis) since this is primarily what many podcasters associate V4V with.

The episode stirred up quite the conversation online, with some interesting takes on the episode and points raised. So this episode sees Mark chat with David Medus on how he uses V4V beyond sats and the overall philosophy behind it.

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Andy Lehman on X and V4V is not just streaming sats
• Is Value For Value's Future in Trouble?

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

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If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

Welcome to a special bonus episode of In & Around Podcasting. This week, Mark and Danny are joined by guest co-host Garry Aylott, Head of Design at Captivate, to talk about the new Captivate 2.5 dashboard release.

This includes designing for both indie podcasters and large media production companies, as well as taking podcast networks up a notch for all Captivate podcasters. Sit back for an educational walk-though of the SaaS decision-making process.

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Captivate 2.5 - Unlimited Networks & a Sleek New Look
• Dashboard 2.5 Release Preview - YouTube

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

It was recently announced that Alby, one of the most popular streaming sats platforms for podcasters when using Value4Value (V4V), is no longer offering new accounts to people in the US.

Does this news mean a major roadblock to growth and adoption of V4V, or just part of a new medium's growing pains? And what alternatives do podcasters have?

Join Mark and Danny and guest co-host Mathew Passy as they share their thoughts on where we are and what the future holds for the V4V approach to creator support.

Our guest co-host this week is Mathew Passy

Long time podcast producer and consultant, now trying to solve as many other problems as I can for podcasters via Custom Podcast Solutions!

Mathew's Website

Mathew's Facebook page

@mathewpassy on Instagram

@mathewpassy on X

Mathew on YouTube

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Kevin Lowe - Grit, Grace, & Inspiration
• Trailergram – Promote Your Podcast Trailer to Targeted Potential Listeners
• Alby Hub
• Value 4 Value Podcasts | Podcastindex.org
• V4V Stats from the Podcast Index
• Alby no longer offering new accounts to people based in the US

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

In the June 3 edition of industry publication Podnews, editor James Cridland reported on the rumour of "a large podcast hosting company having an all-hands meeting with the news that they'd found a buyer for the company."

There's also industry rumours of at least three hosting companies either looking for buyers or open to buyer approaches. We've seen podcast hosting companies either close or be acquired before: Spotify bought Anchor and Megaphone, and Global acquired Captivate, as some examples.

So with the rumour mill around more acquisitions currently red-hot, does this mean podcast hosting is in a boom & bust period? Or is it just a sign of a medium continuing to mature and take advantage of good opportunities?

Join Danny and guest co-host Eric Silver, as they discuss what this means for hosting in general, and what the lay of the land might look like in 12 months time.

Our guest co-host this week is Eric Silver

Eric Silver is an award-winning podcast producer, game designer, and teacher based in the great state of New York. He's the Head of Development and co-founder of Multitude, an independent podcast collective and production studio in Brooklyn. He’s produced 11 podcasts that have racked up tens of millions of downloads, and developed many more, characterized by strong, original structures and thriving communities. He widely known as the Best Dungeon Master in Podcasting, running the actual play TTRPG show Join the Party for 7 years, and is a professor at Stony Brook University's Podcast Incubator

@el_silvero on Instagram

@el_silvero on X

Eric's Website

Links to interesting things from this episode

• PABLO TORRE FINDS OUT - YouTube
• Our Plant Stories podcast with Sally Flatman
• PABLO TORRE FINDS OUT | Substack
• Rumours of a large hosting company finding a buyer

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

At the end of March this year, industry publication Podnews published its annual Podnews Report Card. This asks podcasters to complete a scorecard on podcast platforms, and where they're doing well, and where they're doing not so well.

Across the board, all main platforms - Apple, Spotify, YouTube, and Amazon Music - had a lower score than last year when it came to helping listeners discover and follow a podcast.

The same happened when asked how easy it was to list a new podcast, with all main platforms suffering a drop in the previous year's score.

Join your usual hosts Mark Asquith and Danny Brown, with special guest co-host Genevieve Hassan, as they break down this report, and what the bigger podcast platforms need to do to when it comes to helping podcasters start and grow a podcast.

Our guest co-host this week is Genevieve Hassan

Genevieve is a former BBC News senior entertainment journalist who's interviewed hundreds of celebrities for more than a decade - including A-listers such as Chris Pratt, Hugh Jackman, Anne Hathaway, Keanu Reeves, Mila Kunis, Justin Timberlake and Kristen Wiig.

@celebritycatchuppodcast on Instagram

@CelebCatchUpPod on X

Genevieve's Website

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Podnews report card - results for 2024

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

Spotify recently announced they're no longer offering the option to easily record and edit within the platforms's hosting dashboard, a popular feature that was part of podcast host Anchor, before it was rebranded as Spotify for Podcasters.

Online communities on Reddit and Facebook are full of upset podcasters looking for alternatives, since many podcasters used the "all-in-one" recorder/editor/publisher.

So, should podcast hosting platforms continue down the tech stack path, or is this a sign that perhaps a "one size fits all" isn't a viable strategy in the long run? Join your regular hosts Mark and Danny, with guest co-host Neal Veglio, as they discuss what hosting looks like in 2024 and beyond.

Neal Veglio Founder of Podknows Podcasting, collaborating with Captivate to help brands and individuals to get the best possible return from branded podcasting. Neal's Website @realnealveglio on X Neal on YouTube

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Evolving how you create on Spotify for Podcasters - Spotify
• Spotify for Podcasters discontinues the old editor - what now? : r/podcasting
• What's changing with Spotify for Podcasters? : r/podcasting
• Podcasters' Support Group | This might have been asked already re. Spotify
• Podcasters' Support Group | PSA to my fellow podcasters out there

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

Show notes written by AI and not touched... to prove that we do only get 70% of the way there with AI...

The episode features a review of the Podcast Show 2024, with discussions on booth activities, industry trends, and event experiences. The conversation covers topics such as booth engagement, monetization, video content, event organization, and after-party dynamics. The conversation covers the topics of exclusivity and networking at events, the role of AI in podcasting, and positive experiences and shoutouts from the podcast show. The hosts discuss the impact of exclusivity at events, the value of networking, and the use of AI in podcasting. They also share positive experiences and shoutouts from the podcast show.

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

As the industry descends on the Podcast Show 2024 in London, UK, we take a look back at the first couple of months of In & Around Podcasting.

We've covered a wealth of important topics, and been delighted to bring some fantastic insights around these topics from both industry insiders and indie podcasters. So sit back, and enjoy this recap.

Featured in this episode: @JamesCridland on X @jcasabona on X @webby2001 on X @VeritySangan on X Deirdre's Facebook group Sam's Facebook page

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

We hear it on all the industry podcasts and publications/newsletters: YouTube is the preferred destination for podcast listeners/viewers (and let's not get into the whole "but it's not RSS" debate).

But for podcasters, it can be a different story:

• RSS feed ingestion release was left wanting in some key areas
• analytics are still not provided to podcast hosting companies
• to do it properly, you kinda do need proper video

But can 2024 be the year YouTube "gets it right"?

• they've advised they're updating the API to support better hosting company integration
• they've added some new podcast-specific features to YouTube Music app
• they advise they've heard podcaster frustrations and are committed to better support for audio-only creators

So, what do we think? Is 2024 the year Google gets podcasting "right" via YouTube? Join your regular hosts Mark and Danny as they ask the question: does YouTube actually care about podcasting?

Links to interesting things from this episode

• MrBeast reveals the staggering amount he spends on one video
• YouTube Is Not the Podcast Savior You’re Looking For
• Podcast features : r/YoutubeMusic
• Release Notes: Shaping the Future of Podcasts with YouTube - YouTube Blog
• Podcasters weigh the cost-benefit of producing video podcasts - Digiday
• Podcasting is in its YouTube era - The Verge
• Podcast Movement Evolutions 2024 Keynote: YouTube for Podcasters

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.

In a recent article published by Mia Lobel, ex Head of Content at Pushkin Industries, she decries the CPM model in podcasting, and that "The CPM model of advertising does not — and will not ever — work to sustain podcasting."

Join us as we dive deep into this topic with two podcasting pros.

Plus, Stupid Stuff in Podcasting and The Flattering Ram!

Co-hosts, ( ) and Gareth Davies(@garethsounds on X) .

Links to interesting things from this episode

• Kathy Doyle | LinkedIn
• Independent Podcast Awards 2024
• Quill Podcast Agency | High-Quality Corporate Podcast Production
• CoHost | Podcast Analytics and Audience Insights
• Podcast Production Services | Lower Street
• The world's most influential branded podcasts - Pacific Content
• Alex Lieberman on X: "Unless you're an A-list celeb, big media co, or plan to sell your audience a high $ product, it makes no sense for you to launch a podcast right now." / X
• Podcast Advertising Rates [2024] | Ad Results Media
• Audioboom sees revenue growth
• Why our system for valuing podcasts is broken - Current

In & Around Podcasting is a podcast industry podcast started by Mark Asquith and Danny Brown and now hosted by Elsie Escobar and Rob Walch, continuing its mission as an industry show that belongs to the whole community.

If you enjoy the show, we'd love for you to leave us a rating or review on your favourite podcast app! You can also drop us a tip at https://www.inandaroundpodcasting.com/support, too!

If you're an independent creator who would like to co-host with us, please let us know by emailing the show! [email protected].

Please tell your friends that the show is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube, plus wherever else they may listen to their podcasts.

If you'd like your podcast trailer featuring in our "Wave File" segment, submit it via this quick contact form, please.

The podcast is also available at In & Around Podcasting.