Hello podcasters and welcome back for a brand new episode of What's New in Adapted Physical Education (APE)! For this episode we had a very special episode with Dr. Justin Haegele, an APE assistant professor from Old Dominion University. For this episode, Dr. Haegele and I had an in-depth discussion about his research in the field of APE, and the differences between the terms 'inclusion' and 'integration' in relation to physical education. We discussed how 'inclusion' fits within special education laws, as well as he questions whether an 'integrated' setting/placement is always the best fit for students with disabilities. Dr. Haegele feels strongly that in the field of physical education, we often misuse the term 'inclusion' as a setting/placement, rather than as a philosophy that can be used regardless of setting/placement that can drive one's teaching practices.