After a whirlwind few days of scandal and seemingly endless interviews from Emilia Pérez star Karla Sofia Gascón, Slate's Sam Adams join Katey to figure out how it all played out, how fervent fan bases have played outsize roles in this awards season, and where Emilia Pérez's Oscar hopes can go from here. Then Katey talks to Anora's director, writer, co-producer and editor Sean Baker about his very particular way of making movies, how he challenged himself with Anora and where he'll go from here.

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