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Corey talks with Cal about Cal's experience and interest in death and dying, the two classes they facilitate about it, and about their last day teaching Healwell's hospital based massage therapy class during which Corey causes Cal to cry a little, and has already apologized for it.

Links:
Opening to the Mystery
A Year to Live
Check out this amazing blog post Cal wrote: "Motels, T-shirts and Evil"

Guest bio:
Cal is one of Healwell’s founders and its Executive Director.

Cal speaks around the world on a variety of topics related to integrative medicine, emotional self-care for practitioners and the mechanics and politics of introducing massage therapy into clinical settings.

They* have been participating in research, teaching and developing curriculum for massage therapy courses focused on hospital-based practice, oncology massage and end of life care since 2007. Cal is passionate about elevating the profession of massage therapy and also about broader and more seamless integration of massage therapists into mainstream healthcare.

*Cal is non-binary and uses the pronouns they, their, and them when being referred to in the third person.

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Episode description:
Corey talks with Isabella Carr, the Deathfat Doula about the word "fat," death, and dying as a fat person.

Links:
Deathfat Doula
The Fat Lip Podcast
Maintenance Phase Podcast
The Appalachian Retreat + Spa
Two Whole Cakes: Leslie Kinzel
NAAFA- National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
Shilo George
Fategories: Understanding the Fat Spectrum from Fluffy Kitten Party

Guest bio:
Isabella Carr is a writer, theologian, and deathworker specializing in end-of-life care, education, and advocacy for deviant bodies. Isabella is currently a graduate student at Harvard Divinity School and studied under Death Doula LA. Her doula and research focus is a material and theological project called Deathfat: Fat Funerals and Futurities. As a doula, Isabella focuses on providing clear and compassionate care to ensure fat people are able to access the best care possible. Isabella graduated from the University of Southern California with a degree in religion and wrote her thesis on fat sexuality and religion. She has spent much of her professional career working with marginalized communities and is dedicated to accessibility and autonomy in life and death.

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Episode description: Corey talks with Heather Costigan and Cindy Bramble from Project Talk about their research and the power of a game to change the conversation.

Guest Links:

Published Research:
Low Skepticism and Positive Attitudes About Advance Care Planning Among African Americans: a National, Mixed Methods Cohort Study

Association of Participation in an End-of-Life Conversation Game With Advance Care Planning Behavior and Perspectives Among African American Individuals

Success of a Community-Based Delivery at Recruiting Individuals from Underserved Communities for an Observational Cohort Study of an Advance Care Planning Intervention

Links:

Project Talk
Become a Project Talk Host!

Hello Game
Conversation Project

Conversation Project Video

Hospice Foundation of America

Principal Investigator Dr. Lauren Van Scoy

IRB- Institutional Review Boards FAQ
RO1 National Institute of Health Research Grant Information
 
Guest Bios:
Cindy Bramble is the Director of Special Projects for Hospice Foundation of America where she manages their major grant projects, including the current NIH collaborative research study with Penn State Hershey Medical Center, Project Talk Trial. She serves as the community outreach project manager and a research assist for Project Talk, overseeing host recruitment and engagement and conducting research activities at events across the country. Cindy has over 20 years of experience working with community engagement endeavors related to improving health outcomes and has worked on collaborative advance care planning research projects with Penn State for the past 6 years.

Heather Costigan is the Senior Lab Manager for the Van Scoy Communication Lab at Penn State University. In this role, she manages a growing team with research projects related to advance care planning and end-of-life decision making in community-based and critical-care settings. Heather currently serves as the research project manager and research assistant for the current NIH R01 Project Talk Trial, overseeing data collection, data entry, data analysis and other research-related pieces of the trial. She has 12 years’ experience on research teams at Penn State related to health and well-being and has been with the Project Talk Trial for just over 1 year. [‪Heather Costigan - ‪Google Scholar](https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=KFhpW38AAAAJ)

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Today, Corey is talking with Will Craig, owner of ELDR, a company that provides guidance on approaching end-of-life planning effectively.

ELDR's mission statement:
"We are on a mission to empower and equip people to conclude life smoothly and be remembered well. When you plan in advance of a health crisis, challenging events go more smoothly later, and your life becomes powerfully informed by the reality of its impermanence now."

Show notes:
ELDR website
Respecting Choices website
Peterson Institute for International Economics

About our guest:
Will’s life’s work can be summed up with one simple phrase: Propelling people’s growth to produce meaningful new outcomes. Nothing energizes him like helping someone clarify a problem and find their way to solving it.

He’s fulfilled this calling on a human-to-human level as a teacher, trainer, coach, and father. At the systems level, he’s served as a president, CFO, strategist, and founder. Will says his greatest strength is as a generalist. “I am highly adaptable and listen carefully to help people get their arms around a challenge, break it into bite-size pieces, then set to work with courage and a good plan,” he explained.

As a preacher’s kid, Will grew up in a household where our inevitable death was a regular conversation topic, so planning for it was a no-brainer. Since the subject is so comfortable for him, he can bring a down-to-earth, straightforward approach to his work with clients and end of life educators.

Will’s mission is to recenter the larger cultural conversation around death to make it more pragmatic, and something we prepared for in advance like other major life events. “When it comes to end of life education and planning, the need is great, but follow-through is sparse,” he said. “Clients count on me to bring my compassionate side as a strong listener, as well as my detail-oriented, strategic side to get the job done.”

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This episode originally aired in October 2020 on the "Massage Therapy Without Borders" podcast

Cal and Cathy talk with Meghan Mari and Rachel Fairweather of Jing Advanced Massage Training Schools of Brighton, UK.

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About Our Guests:

www.jingmassage.com

Rachel Fairweather & Meghan Mari are the dynamic co-founders and directors of Jing Advanced Massage Training (www.jingmassage.com), a UK based company providing degree level hands on and online training for all who are passionate about massage. Jing is unique in being the only school to offer degree level training in massage, soft tissue therapy and research skills in the UK and successful graduates of our 3 year programme have carried out research into all areas of soft tissue therapy.

Both Rachel and Meghan have degrees in Psychology and have trained extensively in Eastern and Western bodywork. Rachel holds a Postgraduate Diploma in Social Work. an AOS in Massage Therapy and is an licensed massage therapist. Meghan is a New York Licensed massage therapist, Certified Holistic Health Educator, and holds a Masters in International Law.

Rachel and Meghan are also authors of “Massage Fusion: The Jing method for the treatment of chronic pain” published by Handspring in 2015.

Rachel and Meghan have over 30 years combined experience in the industry working as advanced therapists and trainers, first in New York and now throughout the UK. Due to their extensive experience, undeniable passion and intense dedication, Rachel and Meghan are sought after international guest lecturers, write regularly for professional trade magazines, and together have twice received awards for outstanding achievement in their field

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Episode description:
Cal and Corey talk to Laura Lyster-Mensh, death doula in residence at Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC about making death an open topic of conversation.
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Resources:
Laura Collins Lyster-Mensh: Author, podcaster, rabble rouser ​and death doula
Life, Death and Grave Robbery in a Historic Cemetery, PhD Thesis by Rebecca Boggs Roberts
Write your own obituary
Death Positive Programming at Congressional Cemetery
Swedish Death Cleaning
Marie Kondo revealed she's 'kind of given up' on being so tidy
Dust to Dust: A Guide to Green Burials at Congressional Cemetery
The Landscape of Health Care in Wards 7 and 8

About Our Guest: 
Laura Lyster-Mensh, MS, is an American writer who has been founding organizations to solve problems all her life, including three international non-profits. She is the author of four books, and has produced four podcast projects, and is currently serving as Death Doula in residence at Historic Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC. She enjoys being old, and doesn’t mind being mortal. 

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Episode description:
Corey and Dr Marisa Allison talk about co-ops, community and the possibilities for massage therapy.
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Resources:
REI Co-op
Nap Ministry
Sustainable Economies Law Center
International Co-op Alliance
Democracy at Work Institute
Solidarity Economics
Aorta: Autumn Brown
Rochelle Capital
Cat with Cookies comic by Molly Crabapple
Collective Courage by Jessica Gordon Nembhard


About Our Guest: 
Dr. Marisa Allison graduated with her Ph.D. in Public and Applied Sociology from George Mason University in December 2022. While working on her doctoral degree, Marisa served as the Research Director with the New Faculty Majority Foundation, a grassroots research and advocacy non-profit focused on improving the working conditions for contingent faculty in higher education. With a strong commitment to organic public sociology, action research, and liberatory higher education, Marisa entered into the emerging field of critical university studies after several years in the higher education movement arena where her scholarship and activism has focused on academic labor conditions, gendered work, student debt, and corporate influence in higher education. Marisa has been involved in the academic labor movement in the U.S. for the last 13 years, working with unions and campus organizers to better labor conditions on college and university campuses. 

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Episode description:
Corey and Ruth have a chat about personal biases and changing your mind.

Guest’s links:
Ruth’s Podcast: “I Have a Client Who”: https://ruthwerner.com/podcast/

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Thank you to ABMP for sponsoring this season of Interdisciplinary: https://www.abmp.com

Thank you to AIHM! Learn more about the AIHM Fellowship by emailing [email protected]

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This week Cal and Corey are talking to Su Bibik, massage therapist, educator, go getter and one of our favorite people. She'll tell you what's she's up to a year after she sold her school and and spoiler alert: its not retirement.
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Show Notes
ABHES
COMTA

About Our Guest: 
Business Owner, Educator, Massage Therapist, Scuba Diver, Grandma Su Bibik is Founder & CEO of Institute for Massage Education, previously an aspect of Kalamazoo Center for the Healing Arts (KCHA). Su and her husband began the Center in 1986 out of their home. It quickly grew to meet the demands for professional, effective massage therapy and alternative modalities. Su’s background teaching math in high school and college naturally led to creating a program to train massage therapists. She has an uncanny ability to convey otherwise difficult information in a fun and meaningful fashion. Most recently she completed her certification training and is a Certified Open Water Scuba Diver and did her first dive trip to Dominica to celebrate her 70th Birthday. 

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How do the words we use affect the people we serve? What could be problematic about some of the common things we say as care providers? What happens when we listen to our words from a different perspective? Cal and Cathy welcome Anne Kelemen to the podcast to consider the question of language

Check out Anne Keleman's CE courses:
To Chart or Not to Chart
The Power of Our Words

Anne Kelemen's articles:

• Ambiguity in End-of-Life Care Terminology—What Do We Mean by “Comfort Care?”
• Poor prognostication: hidden meanings in word choices
• Assessing the Impact of Serious Illness on Patient Intimacy and Sexuality in Palliative Care
•  Sexuality and Intimacy Needs Within a Hospitalized Palliative Care Population: Results From a Qualitative Study

About Our Guest:
Anne Kelemen is the Director of Psychosocial/Spiritual Care for the Section of Palliative Care at MedStar Washington Hospital Center in Washington, DC, where she conducts patient care, teaches and participates in a variety of research activities. She also serves as an Associate Professor of Medicine at Georgetown University and as Associate Program Director for the MedStar Georgetown Interprofessional Palliative Care Fellowship Program. Prior to joining the Hospital Center staff, Ms. Kelemen instituted the first palliative care service at MedStar Good Samaritan Hospital in Baltimore, Maryland. She is board certified in hospice and palliative social work and is a board member for the Social Work Hospice and Palliative Network (SWHPN) where she currently chairs the membership committee. 

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