In this episode, Duncan McLeod is joined by South African broadcasting legend and Apple aficionado Mark Pilgrim to talk about Apple's big developer conference happening in San Francisco this week.

In the podcast, Pilgrim and McLeod talk about their highlights from the event, including all the big announcements around iOS, macOS and watchOS.

Pilgrim talks about his love affair with all things Apple, how it started, how many Apple devices he owns - and why he will never (repeat: never) consider moving to Android.

He also talks about his career in broadcasting - he now hosts the 9am to midday slot on Johannesburg radio station Hot919FM - including how he got his start in radio (it's a great story). He also opens up about his fight with cancer - he was diagnosed with testicular cancer at just 18 - and his heart attack in 2008. It's a sobering tale.

It's a fantastic discussion. You don't want to miss it!