In this TechCentral podcast interview, Duncan McLeod chats to South African Internet pioneer, movie maker, investor and entrepreneur Ronnie Apteker about the (excellent) new South African film Beyond the River, which he helped produce. In a wide-ranging interview, hear Apteker chatting about the early days of the Internet in South Africa and how he got into the movie-making business (and also stand-up comedy). Also, find out more about what he's up to now in the information security industry with Haroon Meer's Thinkst, and the parallels between infosec and magic tricks (another Apteker passion). It's a great listen!