"DeProgram" co-host Ted Rall interviews Middle East politics expert Esteban Carrillo about impact of the Houthi shutdown of Red Sea shipping on a looming gas crisis, and why the US might not care about losing its war against Iran due to American domestic considerations.

Esteban Carrillo is a Beirut-based journalist and editor serving as Head of News for The Cradle, an independent media outlet focused on West Asian affairs. With extensive experience reporting from the frontlines of the Middle East, he covers geopolitical conflicts, Hezbollah, Israeli-Lebanese tensions, and regional politics. Carrillo frequently appears on international radio and television programs, providing sharp analysis of unfolding events in Lebanon, Gaza, and beyond. Known for his incisive reporting and on-the-ground perspective, he has become a prominent voice challenging mainstream narratives on Middle Eastern conflicts. His work highlights issues often overlooked by Western media.

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