I’m joined by Ben Shapiro, a controversial figure who for many needs no introduction. Ben is a political commentator, author, and co-founder of The Daily Wire. He joins me to discuss his new book, Scavengers and Lions. We explore the central metaphor of the book and what it says about the moral choices facing our culture today. Ben lays out his argument about the rise of intellectual scavengers who feed on grievance and resentment, and contrasts them with the “lions,” those who embrace responsibility, reason, and moral clarity. We also talk about Donald Trump, wokeness, gun control, and birth rates.

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