In this episode, Vince and Cara turn their attention to a question many social workers quietly wrestle with: is it lonely at the top? Drawing on lived experience from both sides of the desk, they explore how poor management harms staff, the emotional weight and isolation that can come with leadership roles, and why moving into management is not - and should not be - the default marker of success in social work. The conversation ranges from micromanagement and burnout to power, safety, and what social workers can reasonably demand from those leading them, offering a thoughtful and honest look at a part of the profession that is often misunderstood.

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