E1059: Is SEO actually dead this time?

Every few years, the industry declares the end of SEO. This time the argument sounds stronger: AI overviews, AI-generated content, Google "stealing" traffic, collapsing affiliate sites, and major ranking volatility.

In this episode, I sit down with Michał Suski, co-founder of Surfer SEO, to break down what's really happening.

We talk about what has really changed since 2017, what hasn't changed at all, and why much of the panic around AI is missing the point.

This is not a hype conversation. It's a grounded discussion about brand, behavior, backlinks, attention span, and what Google is really rewarding right now.

What we cover: - How Surfer started as a side project and grew into one of the best-known SEO tools - Whether AI overviews are actually killing organic traffic - Why top-of-funnel content is disappearing (and why that might be fine) - The truth about self-promotional listicles and whether they're risky - How Google likely detects low-quality AI content - Why behavioral signals matter more than ever - What happened to Surfer's traffic - and why losing it wasn't necessarily bad - Why niche focus beats broad authority in competitive markets - The collapse of generic affiliate sites and what survives - How attention span is reshaping SEO strategy - Whether SaaS is still a good opportunity in 2026 - What matters more today: topical authority, backlinks, brand, or user behavior - What Michał would do with only 90 days to grow traffic - Why rewriting old content is one of the biggest missed opportunities - The role of brand mentions vs traditional link building - Whether there is still a future for pure affiliate SEO

One of the biggest themes of this episode:

Content alone is not enough. It's an enabler, not a differentiator.

Brand, trust, behavior, and relevance are doing more of the heavy lifting than most people realize.

If you run a SaaS, niche site, agency, or you're building in SEO right now, this conversation will give you a clearer framework for what matters - and what doesn't.

Listen if you want perspective instead of panic.

⭐️ Surfer - https://surferseo.com/ ⭐️ Michał Suski's website - https://msu.ski/ ⭐️ Michał Suski's LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/michal-suski/

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00:00 Meet Michał Suski 00:17 Surfer Origin Story 00:56 What Surfer Does Now 02:00 How Search Behavior Shifted 06:02 SEO Panic vs Reality 06:44 Self Promotional Listicles Debate 12:47 How Google Spots AI Spam 19:03 Traffic Loss and Identity Drift 25:35 Niche Down for Advantage 31:10 AI Content Workflow That Works 35:24 Defining Good Content and UX 41:24 Founder Habits and ADHD 43:56 Which Content Google Rewards Now 45:23 Affiliate SEO Aftermath 47:20 Short Form Attention Shift 49:08 AI Citations Token Economy 51:35 Affiliate Sites Future 54:47 Google IO Build In SERP 57:27 SaaS Still Blue Ocean 01:00:34 Ranking Signals Today 01:03:48 90 Day Growth Shortcut 01:07:03 Hidden SEO Opportunities 01:09:06 Claude Vibe Coding Workflows 01:13:26 Programmatic SEO Reality 01:15:23 Why Poland SEO Thrives 01:17:32 Conference Networking Truth 01:23:28 Podcast Streak Finale

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