Museum director Kim Sajet takes listeners to stand in front of a portrait of Ulysses S. Grant, the revered commander who led the Union Army to victory in the American Civil War. But it’s actually the frame that steals the show.

According to conservator Bill Adair, “The frame gives us information that the painting simply cannot.” In this case, the frame showcases Grant’s major battlefield triumphs. Another, gifted to George Washington by the King of France, tells the story of a political marriage.

Then, Chicana artist Ruth Buentello explains why she frames her portraits in soft, worn fabrics that she scavenges from the linen closet of life.

See the portraits we discuss:

Ulysses S. Grant, by Ole Peter Hansen Balling

King Louis XVI of France, by Charles-Clément Bervic

Gamer Niñas, by Ruth Buentello

Under the Mexican Colchas, Kinship Exhibition, by Ruth Buentello