It’s Not Always Black and White

Bongi and Matt return for a one off special episode, but that means you get the chance to meet their new four-legged arrival (and find out what Winston makes of him!)

Bongi flies solo in this episode to meet a group of black and Asian mums and talks about raising children in a predominately white community.

Hear about the challenges they faced in even setting up the 'Black Mums of Cheshire' and the day to day support their new found tribe gives them, in everything from hair to tackling racism in schools.

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Bongi and Matt talk racial micro aggressions, unity and English patriotism, plus when it comes to multi-cultural food, there’s nowhere like Britain.

They celebrate the progress of people re-educating themselves about the nuances when it comes to race, but wishes she didn't even need to talk about racism. But on the lighter side, can dogs be prejudiced?

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Bongi and Matt get personal in this episode, talking about love, sex and relationships. They’re more honest and open than ever, even if Matt thinks Bongi is lying about her lingerie.

Truth be told, and her sister who joins the conversation from South Africa agrees, she’s more likely to be found in a onesie than stockings!

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Bongi opens up about her own mental health and how hard she has found the last two years, sharing her experiences of racism and heart-breaking personal loss.

Matt admits he's usually level headed but the pandemic and lockdown have been tough on his mental health, but both are thankful for Winston for keeping them going.

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Bongi and Matt reveal just how spoilt their 5 year old pug Winston is, what Bongi’s family in South Africa think of their pampering ways and how Winston helps lift things when the going gets tough.

The couple open up about how Winston's pulled them through the hardest times in lockdown and discuss if it's set a precedent to the type of parents they'll be.

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Bongi is a Christian and Matt is agnostic. In this episode they talk about their differing views when it comes to faith, what part religion will play in their future children’s lives and why Bongi likes to pray with their 5-year-old pug Winston.

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Bongi and Matt talk openly about the cultural differences between their families, the fears they have about raising mixed race children and what their relationship with their 5-year-old pug Winston has taught them about parenting.

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It's not Always Black and White returns on Monday 24th January.

Bongi and Matt are back and discuss their relationship and views on life as an interracial couple.

They've also got a 5 year old pug called Winston who'll be making a regular appearance.

They'll be chatting religion, sex and racism.

In the final episode of our football and racism specials, Bongi and Matt discuss how politics ended up on the pitch at Euro 2020.

Bongi opens up about how the denial of racism and abuse in the UK means she's had the most traumatic year of her life. Admitting it's made them both want to leave England, even before the abuse aimed at black football players.

For both of them, it's not just about monkey emojis sent to Rashford, Sancho and Saka, it's much deeper. They discuss the divisions in society that have left Bongi feeling like the system is against her.

Matt feels that not only was the result depressing enough, the aftermath has been a massive trigger for the same old issues.

One of the questions in the bowl asks them both to think about how the people coming out in support of the the black players makes them feel, and how the Euro 2021 England squad has connected with communities and make them question racism.

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Bongi and Matt discuss why the England team taking the knee become so divisive during Euro 2020 and got them booed by some fans.

As a black African woman living in the UK Bongi questions why people accept a family of carrots on TV but not black people on the pitch or telly. She calls out those fans and urges people to really think what they stand for.

Matt tries to get his head round why people can’t support the players off the pitch too, regardless of their skin colour. For Bongi she questions how Rashford, Sancho and Saka can go from heroes to villains at the sound of a whistle.

The couple discuss whether they think the media treats black players differently and if it's one rule for them, another for the rest of the squad - and if that goes for everyone else from celebs to Royals.

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