In this episode, we sit down with Jamal Joseph, former Black Panther and Panther 21 member, to discuss his revolutionary journey and the lessons of resistance. He reflects on his time in the BPP, the impact of COINTELPRO, and the survival programs that sustained the movement.

Jamal shares his experience in the Panther 21 trial, detailing their legal defense and organizing from prison. He highlights the vital role of women in the BPP, the personal cost of revolution, and insights from Kuwasi Balagoon. He also offers critical advice for navigating today’s political challenges.

This episode is a deep dive into the legacy of the Panther 21 and the power of resistance.

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ABOUT JAMAL:Jamal Joseph is an American writer, director, producer, poet, activist, and educator. Joseph was a member of the Black Panther Party and the Black Liberation Army. He was prosecuted as one of the Panther 21.

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EPISODE CHAPTERS

00:00 - Intro

18:18 - On political education as a member of the Black Panther Party

21:35 - Jamal Joseph on being a part of the Panther

30:26 - Jamal on the BPP survival programs and the damage of COINTELPRO

36:10 - Being a part of the Panther 21 and legal defense strategies for their trials

43:53 - How the Panther 21 organized while incarcerated and developed a radical legal defense

47:15 - Why the Panther 21 was found “not guilty” and a new model of legal resistance

52:14 - How women kept the BPP together

54:01 - On the cost of living of being an organizer today

01:02:11 - Organizing outside the BPP and the 1981 Brinks Incident

01:04:21 - On confronting political and personal PTSD

01:09:41 - Jamal Joseph on what he learned from Kuwasi Balagoon

01:11:26 - Jamal’s advice for those worried about our political moment and Trump 2025

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BOOKS BY JAMAL....

🔗 Panther Baby: A Life of Rebellion and Reinvention: https://bookshop.org/a/109212/9781616201296

🔗 Tupac: A Legacy: https://www.abebooks.com/9780743292603/

🔗 Tupac-Shakur-Legacy-Joseph-Jamal-074329260X/plp

🔗 Soul of Ice by Eldridge Cleaver: https://bookshop.org/a/109212/9780385333795

🔗 The Autobiography of Malcolm X: https://bookshop.org/a/109212/9780345350688

🔗 The Wretched of the Earth by Frantz Fanon: https://bookshop.org/a/109212/9780802158635

🔗 The Little Red Book (Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung): https://bookshop.org/a/109212/9780359468416

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