In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question “Do we need anarchism?”, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves.

The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy.

From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudan’s local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state.

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Episode Intro and Links

01:22 Why We Need Anarchism

05:16 Belonging and Practice

06:31 Martyrdom and Organization

09:01 Islamic Anarchism and State Power

12:54 Counter Propaganda in Revolution

17:00 Goals of Anarchism

18:22 Armed Struggle in Sudan

20:48 Janjaweed and Brutalization

23:25 Global Struggles and Identity

25:57 Closing Thanks and Farewell

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In this episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation.

The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems.

Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around “stability,” international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a “third line” independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire.

TRANSCRIPT: https://tdugout.substack.com/p/eng-the-anarchist-group-in-sudan

CHAPTERS

00:00 Show Intro And Links

00:41 Meet Kandake

01:34 Episode Setup Third Line

02:42 Sudan War Overview

04:17 Darfur Roots And RSF

06:02 Chaos Economy And Genocide

07:47 Modern State And Colonialism

11:02 Authoritarianism And Spirituality

15:10 Children Violence And Identity

19:11 Pluralism Against Centralization

22:45 Movement Status And Support

24:06 Anarchist Vision Third Line

26:58 Closing Call For Coalition

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Before the city of Philadelphia dropped a bomb on a Black neighborhood, MOVE spent over a decade building one of the most uncompromising radical organizations in American history. Founded by John Africa in the early 1970s, MOVE combined Black liberation politics with a sweeping critique of modern civilization — technology, education, government, and "the system" itself. In this episode, we trace MOVE's arc from their communal house in Powelton Village to the 1978 standoff that sent nine members to prison, to the catastrophic 1985 bombing that killed 11 people and burned down 61 homes. Along the way, we wrestle with hard questions: What made MOVE so compelling — and so controversial? What does the state's response tell us about the limits of Black radical organizing? And what do we do with organizations that cause harm while also facing tremendous repression?

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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro & How did you first learn about MOVE?

11:17 MOVE's origins: John Africa, *The Guidelines*, and life in Powelton Village

23:20 The 1978 Powelton Village standoff, the MOVE 9, and the road to the 1985 bombing

29:08 The complicated history: internal conflict, harm allegations, and neighbor relations

29:35 MOVE's beliefs, the GUIDELINES, and how they organized day-to-day

37:15 Discussion: Is being disruptive or playing the "vanguard" actually useful in revolutionary movements?

40:20 Hierarchy, accountability, and how power worked (and didn't) inside MOVE

46:45 Allegations of harm within MOVE and Mike Africa Jr.'s role in the organization's legacy today

51:30 When is Black separatism a useful political strategy?

01:00:00 Outro

In this episode, Fawaz and Dr. Mohamed Abdou continue their conversation on anarchism, authoritarianism, and the future of resistance in Sudan and beyond. Beginning with the question “Do we need anarchism?”, the discussion explores anarchism not as a rigid ideology or replacement religion, but as a living culture of freedom, mutual aid, and resistance to domination. Together, they examine how authoritarianism reproduces itself through the modern state, capitalism, propaganda, nationalism, and even within revolutionary movements themselves.

The episode dives into the limits of armed struggle in Sudan, the failures of nationalist and Marxist movements, and the dangers of revolutionary groups becoming authoritarian structures of their own. Fawaz reflects on the Sudanese revolution, the collapse of resistance committees, the rise of militias like the RSF, and why many armed movements ultimately become absorbed into the systems they claim to fight. The conversation also explores spirituality, Islamic anarchism, anti-colonial struggle, and the importance of building counter-propaganda and grassroots systems rooted in solidarity rather than hierarchy.

From the Zapatistas to Palestine, from the Makhnovists to Sudan’s local mutual aid networks, this episode asks what real liberation could look like in a world shaped by empire, war, and centralized power. Rather than offering easy answers, the conversation challenges listeners to think critically about revolution, culture, violence, and how communities can build alternatives beyond the state.

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In this debut episode, Sudanese anarchist organizer Fawaz joins Dr. Mohamed Abdou for a wide-ranging conversation on the war in Sudan, authoritarianism, colonialism, and the struggle for liberation beyond the state. Together, they unpack the roots of the conflict between the Sudanese army and the RSF, tracing how colonial borders, militarized tribal divisions, resource extraction, and regional powers have shaped decades of violence and displacement. The discussion explores how authoritarian systems manufacture chaos in order to sustain control, while ordinary people are left to survive genocide, war economies, and social fragmentation.

The episode also examines the relationship between spirituality, anarchism, and resistance, questioning how religion, nationalism, and identity are weaponized by both colonial and post-colonial states. Fawaz and Dr. Abdou reflect on the construction of violence, the manipulation of children and communities through fear, and the failures of both capitalist and authoritarian leftist projects across the world. At the same time, they highlight traditions of mutual aid, self-organization, and local survival networks already emerging in Sudan through community-run schools, hospitals, and grassroots support systems.

Rather than offering simple answers, this conversation challenges dominant narratives around “stability,” international law, and liberation politics, while arguing for a “third line” independent of both military factions and foreign powers. From Darfur to Gaza, from the Arab Spring to anarchist organizing in Sudan, this episode is a deep discussion on resistance, dignity, pluralism, and what it means to build genuinely liberatory movements in the shadow of empire.

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Recorded live at Rafales (the anarchist learning camp hosted by ORA (Organisation Révolutionnaire Anarchiste) in Montreal).

We sat down with Zoya, one of the organizers, to dig into what Black autonomy actually looks like in practice: as theory, as daily organizing, and as a framework that refuses to wait for someone else's revolution to be finished first. From prefigurative politics to Afro-pessimism, from the Black Liberation Army to Cooperation Jackson, from Standing Rock to the Anarchist Group in Sudan, this conversation traces the lineage of Black radical struggle across generations and geographies. We also get into what it means to show up as Black folks in a diaspora full of contradictions; navigating immigrant families, queer identity, settler land, and the ever-present question of who solidarity is actually for.

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Media Mentioned

Books

• Lose Your Mother — Saidiya Hartman
• Afropessimism — Frank B. Wilderson III
• Tip of the Spear — Orisanmi Burton
• The Autobiography of Malcolm X — Malcolm X & Alex Haley
• Assata: An Autobiography — Assata Shakur
• In Defense of Looting — Vicky Osterweil
• Fear of the Black Nation — David Austin
• An Afro-Indigenous History of the United States — Kyle T. Mays
• Seven Fallen Feathers — Tanya Talaga
• How Europe Underdeveloped Africa — Walter Rodney

Documentaries

• Dope Is Death — dir. Mia Donovan (Young Lords & acupuncture in North America)
• The Takeover — on the Young Lords' hospital occupation

Thinkers & Figures Referenced

• Kuwasi Balagoon (New Afrikan anarchist, BLA, Panther 21)
• Saidiya Hartman & Sylvia Wynter
• Ruth Wilson Gilmore
• James Baldwin
• Amílcar Cabral
• W.E.B. Du Bois & Marcus Garvey
• Kwame Ture (Stokely Carmichael)
• C.L.R. James

Organizations & Projects

• Rafales / ORA — the conference
• Cooperation Jackson: https://cooperationjackson.org/
• Malcolm X Grassroots Movement: https://freethelandmxgm.org/
• Anarchist Group in Sudan (fundraiser at opencollective.com/support-sudanese-comrades)
• In the Belly — abolitionist prison media publication: https://transformharm.org/ab_resource/in-the-belly/
• Black Queer and Intersectional Collective (Columbus, OH): https://bqic.net/

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EPISODE CHAPTERS

00:00 Intro

09:33 – What Does Black Autonomy Actually Mean to You?

19:29 – How Does Black Autonomy Push Beyond Liberal Inclusion Politics?

30:01 – What Are Prefigurative Politics and Why Do They Matter?

35:30 – What Does Prefigurative Organizing Look Like in Real Life?

40:53 – How Do Black Autonomy and Indigenous Sovereignty Connect?

47:48 – What Does Real Solidarity Look Like Beyond Symbolic Support?

52:06 – Which Political Thinkers Shape Your Vision of Black Liberation?

56:43 – What Does Afro-Pessimism Get Right—and Where Does It Fall Short?

01:00:54 – How Do Gender, Queerness, and Disability Shape Liberation Struggles?

In this episode, we sit down with James Stout, a conflict reporter and author of Against the State: Anarchists and Comrades at War in Spain, Myanmar, and Rojava, to talk about solidarity, journalism, and what it means to document struggle without reproducing the logic of the state.

We begin with solidarity with Sudan and trace James’s path from growing up rural to finding anarchism and becoming a conflict reporter. From Venezuela to the Darién Gap, we explore what it looks like to practice kindness in conflict zones and why mainstream media so often misses the role of love, care, and mutual aid in struggle.

The conversation moves through communes, gardens, and the small everyday ways people resist, before digging into solidarity journalism and rejecting the myth of objectivity.

From there, we get into the core ideas behind his book, including lessons from Myanmar’s decentralized resistance, debates around anarchist military formations, and what history teaches us from Spain to today. We unpack questions of violence, accountability, dual power, alongside reflections on internationalism and unity under pressure.

We close with advice for ethical journalists, thoughts on revolutionary strategy, and a reminder that even in the harshest conditions, kindness and solidarity remain central to building a different world.

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01:00 Meet James Stout

02:10 Growing Up Rural

04:32 Finding Anarchism

11:54 Kindness in Conflict Zones

14:38 Venezuela Lessons

19:31 Communes and Gardens

23:23 Small Ways of Saying No

27:53 Solidarity Journalism

34:28 Rejecting Objectivity Myths

36:58 Darien Gap Reporting

37:44 Solidarity In The Darien

38:30 Why Media Misses Love

40:24 Becoming A Conflict Reporter

41:54 Decolonizing Outdoor Journalism

43:47 Cool Zone Origin Story

44:48 Myanmar 3D Printed Revolution

46:55 Editors Miss The Context

48:43 Podcasting Into Mutual Aid

53:37 What The Book Covers

53:51 Gen Z Army Consensus

56:48 Against The State Explained

01:02:44 Tech Mill And Critique

01:12:51 Internationalism And Unity

01:14:18 No Monopoly on Violence

01:15:43 Revolution Under Pressure

01:18:29 Mushroom Organizing and Dual Power

01:22:22 Why Anarcho Syndicalism Declined

01:27:08 Spain Timing and Counterfactuals

01:30:16 Afterlives of the Revolution

01:35:49 Accountable Armed Formations

01:39:21 Advice for Ethical Journalists

01:42:19 Anarchist Military Innovations

01:47:22 Closing Kindness and Where to Find

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BOOKS 

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Ever wondered how an episode of The Dugout comes together?
We take you behind the scenes of how we make The Dugout: from how the podcast started, to researching topics, booking guests, recording, editing, and posting episodes online. We break down our full process, talk about the challenges of building independent media, and share what goes into making a Black anarchist podcast with limited resources.
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10:13 Behind The Scenes - How We Interview

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21:01 On POST PRODUCTION (editing audio, programs, etc)

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This episode traces a powerful political and personal journey, from early childhood memories and family roots in Missouri to a deep engagement with Black radical politics, incarceration, and revolutionary thought. Beginning with formative lessons from family and life on the land, the conversation moves through experiences of schooling, racial identity, and the impact of media in shaping self image and political awareness.

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A turning point emerges during Black History Week, opening the door to a broader understanding of history, resistance, and imagination. From there, we explore the influence of civil rights struggles, the demographic and political landscape of Gary, Indiana, and the role of figures like Malcolm X in shaping a generation’s consciousness. The episode dives into the rise of the Black Panther Party, why it resonated so deeply, and how state repression, especially through COINTELPRO, targeted radical movements.

We also examine the role of prison as a site of political education, the importance of reading and self reeducation, and the challenges of confronting propaganda and internalized narratives. The conversation expands outward to connect Black liberation struggles with global movements, including the Spanish Civil War and broader communist traditions.

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EPISODE CHAPTERS

01:03 Early Childhood Memories
01:59 Grandfather Finger Lesson
04:10 Family Roots in Missouri
05:59 New Madrid and the Earthquake
07:14 Moving to Gary Indiana
07:32 School Testing and Fear
12:03 Black History Week Awakening
13:54 Imagination Einstein and Daydreaming
16:48 Farm Life and Learning Nature
18:19 First Politics and Civil Rights TV
18:59 Race Language and Identity
22:34 Parents Work and Numbers Racket
24:31 Racist Books and Colorism
25:49 Freedom Riders and Gary Demographics
29:11 Malcolm X Guns and Media
32:20 Cartoons and Stereotypes
38:29 Trouble Draft and Panthers
44:02 Why the Panthers Resonated
46:11 Panthers on the News
48:25 Citizen Arrests and Armed Patrols
50:47 Prison Mentors and Fred Hampton
52:53 COINTELPRO Exposed
54:49 Reeducation Through Reading
55:24 TV, Propaganda, and Self Image
01:06:33 Teaching Youth Behind Bars
01:09:07 Writing in Plain Language
01:12:21 Schooling and Hidden History
01:20:38 Republic of New Africa Roots
01:21:56 Spanish Civil War and Communism
01:30:23 People Senate Call to Action

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What does it mean to become a revolutionary as a teenager—and live long enough to reflect on it?

In this episode of The Dugout, we sit down with Panther veterans Jamal Joseph and Ashanti Alston for a rare, intergenerational conversation on struggle, survival, and political transformation. Both joined the Black Panther Party as teenagers—15 and 17—shaped by the political urgency of their time: rebellion in the streets, the assassination of Malcolm X, and the global fight for Black liberation.

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Guests

Ashanti Omowali Alston is a writer, speaker, and member of the steering committee of the Jericho Movement, which advocates for U.S. political prisoners. Born in Plainfield, NJ in 1954, he joined the BPP at 17 before moving into the Black Liberation Army. His years in prison sparked a deep political evolution away from hierarchical organization and toward Black Anarchism — a philosophy he has spent decades developing and teaching. His forthcoming book, Anarchist Panther, is out August 2026.

Jamal Joseph grew up in the Bronx and joined the Panthers at 15. He was one of the Panther 21 — activists arrested in 1969 on conspiracy charges and ultimately acquitted. After serving time in Leavenworth, he transformed prison time into education and creative work, earning two degrees and writing plays. He is now a Professor of Professional Practice at Columbia University and the first Black chair of its Graduate Film Division, as well as founder of IMPACT Repertory Theatre in Harlem. He has been nominated for both an Oscar and an Emmy.

Books Discussed

Anarchist Panther by Ashanti Omowali Alston (August 2026)

Panther Baby by Jamal Joseph

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