Janet Wilson is an experienced journalist and public relations consultant who last year took on the role of chief press secretary for the National Party during their ill-fated election campaign, working first under the leadership of Todd Muller, then Judith Collins. In this episode she joins Duncan Greive for an explosive interview in which she discusses Collins' leadership as a threat to the party's very existence, and assesses both the bizarre 2020 campaign (the prayer, the Ponsonby Road walk) and the way the party has ignored the lessons of its drubbing in favour of an autocratic focus on loyalty tests.

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