On this episode of the NEW Trueface podcast, Robby is with Jason Pamer discussing parenting and what it means to be a father while we all have our own bouts with shame. Jason is the Executive Producer at Sypher Films and was the producer for The Heart of Man film. This is a powerful and vulnerable conversation about how we deal with our shame in regards to projecting it onto others. 

The book Jason mentioned is The Lost World of Genesis One by John H Walton.

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