Grace changes more than our relationship with God—it changes the way we relate to everyone around us.

We sat down with Benjamin Crawshaw and Brittany Coulson to explore what grace actually looks like in everyday relationships. From receiving grace when we fail, to building deeper trust through vulnerability, to extending grace to the people who are hardest to love, we unpack how grace moves from a theological concept to a lived experience. We also talk about high-trust relationships, why being known is so risky, and how God often uses other people to help us experience His love in tangible ways. If you've ever struggled to let people see the real you, wondered how to find deeper community, or wrestled with extending grace to difficult people, this conversation is for you.

What We Learned

* Grace is not just a one-time gift at salvation—it is the environment in which we live the entire Christian life.

* Receiving grace often feels harder than giving grace because it requires surrendering control and self-righteousness.

* High-trust relationships are built through small acts of vulnerability that gradually establish trust.

* Many people avoid being fully known because they fear what others will think if they see their struggles and weaknesses.

* Being "first on the beach" means risking vulnerability before knowing how others will respond.

* Grace allows us to own our mistakes without letting them define our identity.

* Difficult people often act out of fear, wounds, and self-protection rather than malice.

* The more deeply we experience God's grace toward us, the easier it becomes to extend grace to others.

Resources Mentioned

The Cure by John Lynch, Bruce McNicol, & Bill Thrall 

Dr. T.A. Powell - Beyond the Mask

Marcus Warner - Deeper Walk International 

Unoffendable by Brant Hansen 

Trueface Retreat 2026

Trueface Life App 

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Robby shares a personal and ministry update as Trueface enters a major new season. We talk through family life with eight kids, preparing for his first sabbatical, the emotional and mental exhaustion that comes from leading through growth, and the deeper vision behind GROW — a new discipleship initiative designed to help churches create authentic transformation and relational discipleship at scale.

We also unpack the tension many churches feel around discipleship today: why “know more, do better” keeps people stuck, how grace reshapes spiritual growth, and why authentic community may become one of the church’s greatest opportunities in the years ahead. Along the way, Robby shares stories about the Trueface team, future projects, the upcoming Path album, and why this season feels both overwhelming and deeply hopeful.

What We Learned

• Discipleship is the process of growing in love of God and others.
• Most churches struggle to define effective discipleship and develop enough healthy leaders.
• “Know more, do better” creates striving, while “trust and receive” produces transformation.
• Authentic community is becoming increasingly rare — and increasingly necessary.
• Leadership culture shapes spiritual growth more than systems or programming.
• Robby believes the church has a unique opportunity to meet the next generation’s longing for real connection.
• Sabbatical is not just physical rest — mental and spiritual rest matter too.
• Transformation happens when we replace lies with truth in the context of relationships.

Resources Mentioned

Trueface Journey 

The Path 

RightNow Media | Streaming Video Library of Bible Studies 

Christian Family Camps in Texas & South Carolina | Pine Cove 

Refuge Foundation — Pure Charity 

Grow Disciples Conference 

The War of Worldviews by Jamie Winship

My First Thirty Quiet Times by Ty Saltzgiver

Live Loved by Ty Saltzgiver

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What if the freedom we’re longing for is on the other side of being fully known?

In part two of our conversation with Jeff Kemp, we explore what it really means to trust others and step into the kind of relationships we were made for. We talk about the tension we all feel—the desire to be known and the fear of being exposed—and how that keeps us stuck in shallow connections. Jeff shares how daily rhythms of remembering our identity in God can quiet our need for approval and free us to show up honestly.

We unpack the difference between surface-level friendships and what Jeff calls “level five” relationships—intentional, consistent, and deeply transformative. Together, we wrestle with why so many of us settle for less, how isolation is quietly shaping our lives, and what it looks like to pursue real friendship with courage.

We also get practical about how to move toward deeper connection, why small groups aren’t the destination but a starting point, and how vulnerability, trust, and consistency create space for true life change.

This conversation is an invitation—to stop doing life solo and step into the kind of relationships where we can be fully known, fully loved, and continually pointed back to truth.

Resources: 

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com 
• Free license to listen to the AUDIObook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing 

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What if the version of us we’re striving to become is actually keeping us from experiencing the freedom we already have?

In this conversation, we sit down with former NFL quarterback Jeff Kemp to unpack the subtle but powerful ways we chase significance, compare ourselves, and quietly believe we’re not enough. Together, we explore how performance—whether in sports, ministry, or everyday life—can shape our identity and fuel a constant striving for “future us” to finally measure up.

We reflect on the tension between our God-given desires for impact and the hidden idols that form when those desires become ultimate. Jeff shares vulnerably about his own journey through insecurity, comparison, and the pressure of expectations—and how God began to reframe everything through a deeper understanding of sonship, identity, and grace.

We talk about what it actually looks like to receive our identity instead of earn it, how daily rhythms with God reshape our perspective, and why true freedom begins with believing we are already fully loved, approved, and secure.

This episode is an invitation to stop chasing significance—and start living from it.

Resources: 

• Jeff’s Ministry: MenHuddle.com 
• Free license to listen to the Audiobook of RECEIVE: THE WAY OF JESUS FOR MEN, narrated by Jeff Kemp on AudioOne app: https://one-audiobooks.oneaudiobooks.com/receive_the_way_of_jesus_for_men_leaders_vip
• Free weekly text to grow core friendships: CORE3COACHING.com
• The Father’s Gifts diagram: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13LG7IdBktNY8AsnO36tzAGSjKz4eo7Y4/view?usp=sharing 

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What if the very thing we’re craving—being fully known and fully loved—is the one thing we’re quietly avoiding?

In this episode, we sit down with Neil Sullivan to explore the deep tension many of us feel between longing for authentic connection and defaulting to self-protection. We unpack why leaders—especially pastors—often feel isolated, and how that isolation keeps us from experiencing the freedom, joy, and transformation we were made for.

We share Neil’s powerful story of how performance, hiddenness, and attachment shaped his life—and how God is redeeming it through authentic community. Together, we dive into why friendship isn’t optional for spiritual growth, but essential. We also break down a practical pathway to transformation—one that starts with humility and moves through vulnerability, feedback, commitment, and accountability.

We reflect on the reality that we weren’t designed to do life alone—and ask the hard question: do we have anyone in our lives who truly knows everything about us?

This conversation invites us to step out of hiding, embrace honest relationships, and experience the kind of connection that leads to real change.

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What happens when the version of ourselves that “works” suddenly doesn’t anymore?

In this episode, we sit down with Waldemar Kohl to explore the hidden cost of performance, the loneliness of leadership, and the surprising gift of hitting a wall. We unpack how seasons of failure, conflict, and disorientation can actually become the doorway into deeper trust—with God, with others, and within ourselves.

We also dive into what truly healthy relationships look like, from executive teams to family systems, and why vulnerability isn’t weakness—it’s the foundation of real connection. Together, we challenge the masks we wear and invite each other into a different way of living: one marked by authenticity, courage, and grace.

If we stopped trying to prove ourselves and started being known, what might change?

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Are we trying to carry responsibilities God never asked us to hold?

In this conversation with Jimmy Dodd, we explore the tension many of us live with every day—the pull between urgency and surrender, responsibility and trust. We talk honestly about the hidden gap between our “front stage” and “backstage” lives, why isolation quietly destroys leaders and families, and the six relationships every person needs to thrive.

Together, we unpack what it looks like to build real friendships that include truth-tellers, why spiritual intimacy matters more than simple accountability, and how God often guides our days through interruptions we didn’t plan. We also wrestle with a practical question many of us face: how do we stay faithful to what’s in front of us without carrying the weight of outcomes that only God controls?

This conversation is a refreshing reminder that we were never meant to do life alone—and that the path to lasting faithfulness is found in humility, trusted relationships, and daily dependence on the Spirit.

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What if the freedom we’re longing for is waiting on the other side of forgiveness?

In this episode, we sit down with our friend and repeat guest, Jason Glaze, to unpack one of the most misunderstood and transformative realities of the Christian life: forgiveness. We talk about why so many of us feel stuck in our relationships with God and others—and how unforgiveness may be the quiet cloud blocking the sun.

We explore what forgiveness actually is (and what it’s not). It’s not a feeling. It’s not forgetting. It’s not pretending we’re no longer angry. It’s a decision—an act of the will—to cancel a debt. And when we do, something shifts. Not just emotionally, but spiritually.

Together, we dig into how our identity in Christ fuels our ability to forgive on a deeper level. When we know who we are—and whose we are—we begin to forgive not just the act, but the consequences, the lies we believed, and the ways we learned to cope. We talk about why a memory is often just a container for a belief, and how healing comes when we address both.

We also wrestle with the hard questions:

• Why does unforgiveness rob us of the joy of our own forgiveness?
• What does it mean to forgive ourselves?
• How do we handle boundaries and reconciliation?
• And why does forgiveness sometimes feel like spiritual surgery without anesthesia?

If we’ve ever said, “I’ve forgiven… but it still lingers,” this conversation is for us. We share practical steps for walking through forgiveness with someone we trust and why we were never meant to do this alone.

Forgiveness isn’t about letting someone “win.” It’s about freedom. Theirs—and ours.

This one goes deep. And it might just unlock something we didn’t even know was holding us back.

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What if following Jesus is less about playing it safe—and more about trusting Him through both ambition and suffering?

In this episode of the Trueface Podcast, we sit down with our friend Dave Rhodes to wrestle with what it really means to live an extraordinary life with God. We talk about the subtle ways even good ambition—especially in ministry and leadership—can pull us away from trusting Jesus in the present, and how the invitation of discipleship always includes both the kingdom and the cross. Dave shares his journey from a rigid faith framework into a lived experience of God’s goodness, the scars and stories formed through suffering, and why the way we pursue God’s purposes matters just as much as the outcomes. Together, we explore trust, identity, faithfulness in the mundane, and how Jesus meets our deepest longings not through surrogates, but through Himself.

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What does it look like to raise daughters who know they are loved, have a voice, and live from grace instead of fear?

In this episode, we sit down with our longtime friend Terra Mattson to explore the heart behind Courageous Girls and why discipleship, identity, and emotional health matter so deeply for the next generation. We talk honestly about parenting out of our own stories, helping girls (and boys) find their voice, navigating shame and anxiety, and creating healthier families and church communities rooted in grace. Along the way, we reflect on the unique role moms and dads play, the power of curiosity and humility, and our shared hope of seeing a generation grow up secure, connected, and free to use their gifts in God’s Kingdom.

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