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What if we’ve been measuring spiritual growth by all the wrong metrics?

In this episode, we sit down with our friend and teammate Benjamin Crawshaw to explore why so many of us feel stuck or discouraged in our discipleship journey—and why churches often feel the same. Together, we unpack the heart of Trueface’s “outcomes of spiritual growth” framework and ask the deeper questions: What are we actually aiming for? How do we know if discipleship is working? And why does love—not knowledge, effort, or productivity—always reveal true maturity?

We reflect on our own stories, the pastors we’ve met, and the countless conversations that led us to a simple but disruptive conviction: discipleship is the process of growing in love of God and others. From understanding our view of God, to maturing in authentic relationships, to overflowing love into the world—this episode invites us to breathe, slow down, and step into the long, patient work of becoming whole disciples.

If you’ve ever felt behind, confused, or weighed down by the pressure to “get discipleship right,” this conversation will give you hope, clarity, and a fresh vision of the life Jesus makes possible.

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What happens when decades of leadership, loss, grace, and growth collide into a life lived fully alive? 

In this episode, we sit down with our friend Wayne Williams—entrepreneur, rancher, long-time Trueface partner, and a man who has walked with Jesus through both mountaintops and valleys.

We explore Wayne’s journey from leading a global company through the dot-com boom and bust, to discovering a deeper identity shaped not by performance but by grace. We talk about how mentors changed the trajectory of his faith, why “protection teams” are essential for spiritual formation, and what it really looks like to build friendships rooted in vulnerability.

Together, we unpack wisdom for every season—launching into adulthood, navigating marriage, raising kids, stewarding work, and learning to let go with trust. Wayne’s honest reflections invite us to slow down, listen, and live with the kind of intentionality that forms us into who God says we are.

If you’re hungry for clarity, encouragement, and a practical vision for a grace-centered life, this conversation will feel like sitting with a trusted guide who’s a few steps ahead of us on the trail.

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What if the hardest thing about following Jesus isn’t doing more—but learning to receive?

In this episode, we sit down with author David Gregory to explore the mystery of grace and what it really means to live out of our union with Christ. David shares his journey from striving to be a “good Christian” to discovering the freedom of Christ living through him. Together, we unpack why receiving God’s love can feel harder than earning it, how pride and control block our ability to trust, and why childlike faith is at the heart of the gospel.

We also dive into how this message could transform the church today and the beauty of walking by faith instead of performance.

If you’ve ever wondered why grace feels simple—but not easy—this conversation will meet you right where you are.

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What if true discipleship means going deeper, not wider?

In this conversation with our friend Brian Mosley, president of RightNow Media, we explore what it looks like to lead, steward, and discern with courage in seasons of transition. From his family’s three-generation journey of ministry to his bold shift from DVDs to streaming, Brian shares how God’s guidance often comes through the “messy middle.” Together, we talk about trusting God one day at a time, partnering to serve the Church, and helping leaders build thriving cultures of discipleship. This episode invites us to slow down, listen for God’s direction, and faithfully pursue depth over breadth in our leadership and relationships.

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Why do we get stuck in the same struggles year after year—even as Christians longing for freedom? In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Marcus Warner, president of Deeper Walk International, to unpack why so many of us stall out in our spiritual growth and how we can move toward real breakthrough. Together, we explore the “five engines” that drive our emotions and shape our transformation—our bodies, beliefs, bonds, the Holy Spirit, and spiritual warfare. With Marcus’ wisdom and practical insight, we learn how to replace fear with joy, uncover the lies we’ve believed, and embrace a deeper, more relational walk with God. If you’ve ever wondered why your growth feels stalled or how to move past long-standing struggles, this conversation offers hope, clarity, and a fresh path forward.

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What does it really mean to live in the “easy yoke” of Jesus?

In this conversation with our friends Bill and Kristi Gaultiere, we explore how empathy, grace, and slow faithfulness transform our everyday walk with God. Together, we unpack their decades of counseling, ministry, and personal growth—learning what it looks like to move through walls in our faith, practice self-empathy, and reflect God’s love in our relationships. From the practical “four A’s of empathy” to the hope of God meeting us right where we are, this episode invites us to discover how deeply loved we truly are.

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What if the most important leadership lessons aren’t learned on a stage, but in the wilderness, through pruning, weakness, and limitation? In this conversation with Lindy Black, we explore how God shapes leaders from the inside out. With decades of experience in the Navigators and Trueface, Lindy shares her own journey of discovering her gifting, receiving healing, and learning to lead with honesty, courage, and a God-focused life. Together, we reflect on the unseen formation that prepares us to serve others well, and how vulnerability and humility unlock true influence.

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What if the life Jesus invites us into is less about what we do for Him and more about simply being with Him? In this episode, we sit down with our new friend Nathan LaGrange, Executive Director of Oasis Rest International, to explore how leaders—and all of us—can move from exhaustion and performance into rhythms of rest, renewal, and presence with God.

Nathan shares his raw story of transformation–from his unlikely introduction to Jesus, to decades of ministry, and now creating safe spaces for leaders to be refreshed. Together, we wrestle with questions of identity, productivity, and what it really means to walk with God instead of merely working for Him.

If you’ve ever longed for more than busyness, if you’ve felt the pull of accomplishment over intimacy, this conversation will help you pause, breathe, and rediscover the joy of being fully alive in Christ.

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What does revival look like in a post-secular culture? In this conversation with Brent Ingersoll, lead pastor of King’s Church in Atlantic Canada, we explore how God has been moving in powerful ways north of the border. Brent shares his story of transformation, the surprising renewal that reshaped his church, and the incredible testimonies of lives changed when people encounter Jesus. Together we reflect on what it means to faithfully steward God’s presence, the challenges and opportunities of ministry in a secular society, and the rhythms that keep us rooted in intimacy with Christ. This episode left us worshipful and encouraged—and we believe it will do the same for you.

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What happens when your business fails, your spouse is diagnosed with cancer, and everything you’ve built feels like it’s slipping away?

In this powerful conversation, we sit down with longtime friend and marketplace leader Scott Boyd. Scott shares his journey from early faith and career struggles to encountering the transformative message of grace through deep suffering and loss. After nearly losing his business and walking with his late wife through cancer twice, Scott discovered a new way of living—not through performance, but through trusting God with his identity, work, and pain.

From memorizing Galatians on hiking trails to watching his business grow from $5M to $150M, Scott’s story is a compelling picture of what happens when we shift from striving to freedom. He opens up about the fears that keep us from trusting grace, the beauty of deep friendship, and how transformation shows up as deeper love for others.

Whether you’re a ministry leader, entrepreneur, or just someone longing for more, this conversation will reframe how you see God, yourself, and your work.

Key Takeaways:

• Grace in Practice: True transformation begins when we trust that sanctification—like justification—is by faith, not effort.
• From Fear to Freedom: When we stop striving to “be enough,” we begin to experience love, freedom, and relational health.
• Workplace as Worship: A grace-filled approach to leadership leads to healthier teams and surprising success—in Scott’s case, scaling his business tenfold.
• Transformation Evidence: Love increases, judgment decreases, and others begin to notice—we become more patient, joyful, and free.
• Healing in Community: Sharing our struggles in safe relationships, like Scott's 21-year men’s group, fosters deep emotional and spiritual healing.
• Enduring Loss with Faith: After losing his wife Bev, Scott modeled trusting God through grief—and later found new life and love again.

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