What now? What next? Insights into Australia's tertiary education sector

Jeffrey Lehrer: "All learning matters"


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In this episode of the podcast, Claire was joined by Jeffrey Lehrer,  National Compliance Manager at The Scout Association of Australia's RTO. He outlines why Scouts have an RTO and how both adult volunteers and young scouts benefit - as well as discussing the work being done (in Australia and internationally) to better recognise non-formal learning.

For international listeners interested in non-formal learning and/or the Scouts movement - there are a few Australian acronyms/terms used in this episode:

  • an RTO is a registered training organisation (ie a technical and vocational education and training provider regulated by government, and delivering a range of certificate and diploma courses specified by industry)
  • a Training Package is the collection of competencies and qualifications industry representatives have told government that their workers need - and these packages are used by RTOs to ensure they deliver the right training content to learners
  • the 'TAE Package' is the Training and Assessment training package which specifies the teaching and assessment competencies that educators working in the TVET sector need, and
  • the National Microcredential Framework details are online: https://www.education.gov.au/national-microcredentials-framework

If there's anything I've missed in my explanation of some of the Australian-specific content then please feel free to get in contact.

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

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