After a whirlwind day in Westminster, Robert Jenrick announced that he was defecting to Reform UK after being sacked by the Conservatives. But how much trouble does his defection spell for the Tories? Can he work with Nigel Farage? And what does this mean for the future of the British right?

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Guest: Aubrey Allegretti, chief political correspondent, The Times.

Host: Manveen Rana.

Producers: Sophie McNulty, Harry Stott.

Read more: Ambush of Robert Jenrick opens new front in war with Reform

Further listening: Will mounting scandals sink reform?

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