Dr. Libby Backfish joins Mark and Rex to discuss another area of the Old Testament that we often misread: the Law. Dr. Backfish encourages us to look at the Law through a covanental lens.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore and your co host Rex Gurney. And today on the show, we have friend of the show returning Dr. Libby backfish. This is third fourth time she has been here a third time I think Tommy's third time and she's going to be carrying on the conversation that we started with Cynthia, on how ways that we misread the Old Testament and particularly the law in our Yammer essentially, today, she's gonna she's gonna focus on I think an area that we wildly screen right. And that is the law, how the Israelites viewed it, and how it applies to us today. So hope you enjoy this. This episode and I just warn you have your dictionary ready, because we're gonna be using some multisyllabic word syllabic words so hope you enjoy the show.

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Well, I'm so excited for this episode. I woke up today, just full disclosure, before we start into the episode, I woke up just excited about life. Jazz ready to go live? He is a true friend of the show. She is Yeah, this is third time on the show. Very friendly. Very friendly. You. You definitely get the T shirt. Yes. After the show. If that ever happened to me, it's gonna happen. For a long time more I say it on air, the more it will happen. Are you somebody was just someone created? Yeah, that's right. Positive confinement. And it will happen. That's actually probably a good a good topic for a future pod. Yeah, that will be but today, I think the reason why I'm so excited is we're kind of continuing a conversation that we had. So we've had a first part of this conversation with Cynthia just just about ways that we misread the Old Testament. And I mean, there's so there's so many ways that we approach scripture, both Old and New Testament, that just maybe a subtle misreading can really move you in the wrong direction. Right. And, and there are a lot of things just I mean, the longer you spend with Scripture, that when you kind of take a closer reading, you're like, oh, that actually maybe doesn't say what I thought it did. And so we want to kind of, again, help our listeners and help Rex and I. And that's why we brought you in Libya as the expert to kind of help us understand what are some of the ways that we've been maybe misreading the Old Testament or the Old Testament experience. And one of the ways that we want to focus on today is the law. How the law is, is viewed by the Israelite people, and then we'll eventually get to maybe how that carries into the New Testament era. Right? And how,

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how long it's in. But I'm always excited about this, because that's, I think, a part of the Bible that for 21st century now Christians are always like, yeah, how do we approach the Old Testament off after nine years of every Sunday preaching a sermon, and doing buku sermon series? And, you know, I would dip into the Old Testament, you know, everybody has the Canon within the canon. My cameras in the Canon actually did not include a sermon series on the law just didn't forgive you. There's forgiveness in the law. Yeah. So I need some tutelage.

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So I think a good place to maybe start here is that is that initial understanding of and maybe a misunderstanding that we've had of how Israel viewed the law, to be kind of to begin with something sometimes from a New Testament perspective, and then especially a post reformation perspective, we can view the law and maybe their experience of the law as somehow they were using it to earn salvation, or using it to earn God's favor. And and the more I dip into it, and the more we've kind of talked, that doesn't seem to be Israel's view of the law. So would you want to kind of start there, let me

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Yeah, sure. So this topic is really interesting to me, because I find a lot of my students don

Kevin Adler, founder and CEO of Miracles Messages, an innovative non-profit using digital media to reconnect homeless people with their loved ones, sits down to talk with Mark about this amazing work.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host, Mark Moore. And I'm so excited to be joined on the show today by Kevin Adler. Kevin is the founder and CEO of miracle messages, an innovative nonprofit using digital media to reconnect the homeless, with their loved ones, have been so inspired by Kevin's work, and I know that you will be inspired as well. Hope you enjoy the show.

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Kevin, thank you so much for joining me on the show. And I was so inspired when you spoke at Jessup in Chapel about a month ago now feels like two years ago, but but I was so inspired. I was actually in my office, listening to the chapel livestream. While I was, I was multitasking. And but then I stopped and I just listened to the rest of your message. And I was so inspired, I got out of my office and basically ran to the RA, you know, as as socially appropriate as I could walk fast through through campus, and ended up catching you just as you were coming outside the chapel building. I didn't know that backstory. Yeah. So just connect, because I was, I was just so moved by the work that you're doing in the work, and the focus of miracle messages. So maybe for our listeners, if they don't quite know, what is the work that you do with miracle messages? And kind of maybe how, how'd that all get started?

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Yeah, well, thank you. I'm honored mark. Here, that little anecdote, I like to figure out what the appropriate speed is to be running while pretending to be professional. Are you an Olympic Qualifying or not? You know, so miracle messages is a nonprofit that I started about five years ago. And we help people that are experiencing homelessness, reconnect with their loved ones, and with us as their neighbors. The first part of that has developed into an award winning reunion service, where we record short video, audio and text messages from people on the streets, and that shelters and living in their cars, to family members and friends that they haven't seen in a while. And it could be to say, I, you know, would love to come live with you. But it could also simply be I miss you. I love you. I'm sorry. I want you back in my life. So when one of those messages gets recorded, usually by a client directly, or a volunteer, or a caseworker, or one of our formerly homeless community ambassadors, and you're usually using one of our tools, whether it's the mobile app, paper form, the online form, or our one 800 miscue hotline. We have a network of volunteer digital detectives, that then go online and make phone calls write letters to see if they can locate the loved ones deliver the messages to reunite folks with our families. So that's the reunion service, the how do we better connect with people experiencing homelessness as our neighbors? That's a really exciting area that's just been emerging, really, in the last couple months, even a couple of weeks? Around COVID-19? Yeah, new and exciting ways. And I'd be happy to share more about that. If that's of interest.

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Yeah, definitely. That I mean, that we're definitely have experienced a shift in, in the world in the last, you know, in the last couple of months. And and yeah, interesting to see. So that's kind of brought up new things within miracle messages. In that new Yeah, I want to express Yeah, a little bit of that kind of the new stuff you have going on.

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Yeah. Well, let me read some news that is in front page of the New York Times right now. I just got the news in the last hour or two. And it's, I think, very relevant and pressing it for where things could be moving very soon. So it was just announced that today, on Wednesday, there were five positive cases at the largest homeless shelter in San Francisco. Today, there are 70 Wow. Wow. And there's a real fear as w

Dr. Erin Ambrose joins Rex and Mark to discuss ways of cultivating mental and spiritual wellness during times of crisis.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore, and your co host Rex Gurney and we are not from our regular studio today, are we? Exactly. We're back again to our social distance podcast. And today Rex on the show. We have Dr. Erin Ambrose. She's one of our esteemed psychology professors. And she's really here to help us and help you as listeners understand how to how to cultivate mental and spiritual wellness in times of crisis. I'm really looking forward to what she has to say. Yeah, we hope you enjoy the show. Erin, thank you so much for for being on the show. And and Rex and I really right now, we need your help.

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I'm going crazy in here. I just don't know how I'm gonna make the next. You know, a few weeks, much less than next few months. happens. And so I need some help, Erin.

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Yeah. And Rex is Rex is he's now Where are you three weeks into the ponytail? Is that what's happening? I actually ran that by a class. My wife is I talk to them for the quarantine ponytail. But, but now I am we're really excited to have you on the show and just kind of help us and help our listeners really look at like, Okay, how do we? How do we cultivate mental and spiritual wellness in a time of crisis?

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Yeah. Because we are all in crisis right now. Right? I mean, this is really unprecedented, that we have our whole state, our whole country, the whole world, really in a moment of crisis all at the same time. Even though, you know, this is not the first pandemic, we can go back, you know, well, Rex, you to be able to tell us

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that this has happened. I have a book plagues throughout human history. He reads it, he reads it at night to compare themselves. It's been worse, it's been worse.

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But the thing is, you know, that that in the time that we are, currently we all are able to see the crisis that we're all in. So historically, we wouldn't have been able to see the crisis that was happening in other parts of the world, we wouldn't be able to experience it in real time, like we are now. So this it really is unprecedented. Because we are not only experiencing our own crisis in our own town and our own state in our own country, but we're also experiencing vicariously it crisis all over the globe at the same time. All of us are in this period of panic, fear, anxiety, stress unknown. I mean, there's just so much so it makes sense that, that we have this type of conversation like how do I personally stay? Okay. You have all this that's going on around us?

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Yeah. And it's, I think it's really good that you they point out that the fact that we can see this happening and almost kind of could see it coming and hitting in in waves, does just build that anxiety, I remember the first couple of days of it, I just kept, you know, refreshing the different counters and being like, oh, man, the numbers are going up. And this is happening in Italy, in Spain. And it was just like that just added to it.

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I had to stop doing that. I totally right. I had to take the things off, take the icons off my phone and take them off my computer.

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Yeah. And it's interesting, because I'm actually during this time reading a Dorothy Day biography. And in in 1918 to 1920 she actually was kind of wanting to change your life and went to nursing school in New York. So she went to nursing school at the height of the Spanish flu epidemic. But it was also the tail end of world war one or one, right. And so she was like she was working 12 hour days in the hospital lining up. And so she was like, I didn't even think about the war that was happening anywhere else. And then people were focused on the war. And the flu epidemic was also happening. And so yeah, there was just all these things, but for right now, it's like the entire world can be like, we can just al

Rex and Mark record their first socially distant podcast and discuss how the Christian community has responded to pandemics in the past and how it can best respond now.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore, and your co host Rex Gurney. And today Rex on the show. We're going to talk about what everyone has been talking about and that is the coronavirus pandemic.

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And you probably noticed that we are actually not in our studio, but we are doing this from the comfort of our own. I don't know where are you at Mark? I'm in my guest room actually. Okay, okay, I'm in our guest room turned off syncing. Both both guestrooms Yep, there we go. Everything's perfect. And

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we got our own little studios for schools and And now for the podcast. And we really want to focus in today's episode, just kind of highlighting the Christian response maybe to everything that's going on, there's been so much on the news, so much. So many rages daily. It's just, it's all over the place. It does. Yeah, you could you could kind of think, you know, something one day, and within a couple of hours, it changes, right. And there's also been a lot that maybe Christians have put online and different responses to this. And we just kind of want to cover it. What does it look like to to be a Christian maybe in the middle of this pandemic? And what are some of our responsibilities? And what are some of our actions and reactions to this?

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Rex, we are not in the studio today. We are zooming away from from the studio there. Jessup, Stan safe, how are you doing during this quarantine?

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Um, you

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know, I'm actually working more than I usually do, which is interesting, because, you know, it's not like, I'm going anywhere. And that computer is always staring at me. And those Jessup emails are always staring at me. And so I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I have to actually just deliberately, like, put my phone away. And you know, at a certain time in the evening, just so that I don't just work all the time.

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Right. I know, it's true. And it's praying for so many people who are listening to podcasts, and now they're working at home, I have found that I'm working more and yeah, it's because the computer is always there. I can always sit down and grade a little bit more, right answer another email, right. And so you do have to kind of find this kind of balance, right.

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And something else, you know, for those of you who may not only be listening, but it's possible that there might be some video with with this podcast where we're going to, we're all in sort of uncharted territory right now. So we decided on the podcast to do the same thing. And you probably noticed that there's, there's a handsome guy with a beard there. And then there's, then there's Rex Carney. Pretty much what we looked like, both, I guess bearded wonders here. But you know, as right, that comes with the beard.

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That's exactly. And I've been encouraging people who kind of during this time of quarantine, it's a great time to grow a beard. So,

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well, I may be more than that, actually. Because it just kind of dawned on me like sometime last week that depending on how long this is, and depending on you know, if this thing, you know, spins into the summer, then I might not be able to get a haircut for like three months. And so if I can't get a haircut for three months, I might as I might just throw caution to the wind and you know, come back to school next fall with a ponytail. We'll see. There we go. We'll see.

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I'm looking forward to that. You heard it here on the podcasts. There's gonna be a Rex Gurney Tony Dale, go just fold john the baptist on everybody. slit her hair out that you'd

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say I already did that. I have my midlife crisis about 15 years ago. And I decided to to grow my hair like it was in college. And so I kind of that might have been a little bit before you

Mark and Rex charge again into the dangerous territory of student questions. Without preparation or forethought, they attempt to answer a question drawn from a collection of biblical studies and theology students.

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Welcome to Jessup tank. I'm your host Mark Moore

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and your co host Rex Gurney. And I have a question for you. Oh, hey, we're just starting. So we're, we're, you know, a bit into a new decade now. Yeah.

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2020 and 2020. I don't know about you. I'm a little older. But all I know is I was promised a flying car by now. And so what happened? That's true. I agree. Like the Jetsons was not supposed to be fiction by now. Right? We

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were all supposed to be flying car. And then mine. I think grown up that I was really focused on was the hoverboard pocket from the Back to the Future. Where's that? Although, if I tried that today, I would break my neck. So

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you can see the generational thing here, folks. And then he's talking about Back to the Future. I'm talking about the Jetsons and they're both still

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wait. Don't be like, wait, what are the future on the Jetsons? Oh, yeah. I don't know. How do I know? There was on TV? Right now, but it was real boom, done an episode on that, where the rear end influenced? That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. And that's still happening. So

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when I enter the future, new decade, we blast of the past.

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Yeah, we got to look back, remind our viewers and today we're kind of, we've done a couple of you. We've done one other of these recently, but we're gonna have another kind of grab bag, grab a question. Now. Full disclosure, I've done a little bit of pre work, not pre work on the questions. Okay. But I pulled together some of the, you know, another semester has passed. Okay. I've I've asked my students again, for those kind of random questions. But before we even get to that, okay, I've got a question for you. Oh, this is this is just come to my attention. Okay. And I feel like we have to talk about it. That we haven't talked about it yet. is really my fault. So I have a future with the show. That's you do? You know, Rex, we need to have a conversation about your future here. Okay. We got some Strength Finders test. You're gonna, you're gonna have to. There's some struggle areas. I'm gonna rumble about it. I am reading a leadership book right now. I'm ready to go on the leadership side. But no, I have come to my attention that you had a pet monkey. Oh, yeah. So I have I mean, I have so many questions on So how old were you when you had the pet monkey.

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So I guess we were around. I was, I don't know, nine. And my sister was seven. And somehow we convinced our parents to buy us a squirrel monkey. And they like did it. And they should be legally used to be used to be able to go into pet store, or spider monkey. Those are the kind of the two that you could you know, have sort of at your home and yeah, that was a row. So we bought Sam. Like I would have named him Sam now. named him Sam. And I actually have a picture that I showed my class. I had talked to the class about this and just dug it up actually a couple weeks ago. of Sam sitting on top of the TV. You know, this is this is back in the old days where you know, you have tube TV. TV was part of the room. Yeah, exactly. And indeed be warm on top because it get hot. Oh, yeah. So in the winter, Sam would go because we let him run around the house. So he's just free range. House Yeah. At night he go in his cage during the day we let him run around the house, which is also not a good idea. But we still did it for years. Anyway. And he would just sit on top of the of the TV while we were watching TV. And we we put a sombrero on him. What's so good. It's just so wrong. That you know that is great. Yeah.

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Sam the Monday Yeah, yeah, Sam. I mean, how long did you have? Sam was I guess

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for about four years, four or five years? Yeah, m

Friend of the show Cynthia Shafer-Elliott joins Mark and Rex to discuss ways in which we misread the Old Testament. The three specifically look at the story of David and Bathsheba.

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore and your co host, Rex Kearney. And today, Rex, we're excited to have again on the show Dr. Cynthia Shaffer-Elliot,

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and she still agrees to come even though she hasn't got her t shirt. Yeah,

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that's true. We're still working on T shirts. We're going to be talking today about how we get the Old Testament wrong. Sometimes some stories we read from the Old Testament, and we're maybe just reading them incorrectly. And so she's gonna shed some light on that, specifically the story of David and Bathsheba. And I'm really interested in what she has to say.

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Well, Cynthia, we are excited to have you back on the show. I mean, official official friend of the show,

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for sure, at this point, how many times you have to be on the show to be an official fries to be official, and you get the T shirt winner, but don't I get a mug or something? Yeah, we're

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working to T shirt. T shirt. I am working on the design, oh, once I get the funding and placement, I can do it. Working on that, but excited to have you on the show because I've kind of thrown an idea out to you have ways that we we read the Old Testament wrong, like ways that when we approach the Old Testament, there seems to be certain passages that just come up again and again. And it's like, I think we might be getting that wrong. And

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wrongs your word. But yeah. I will let the hate mail come to you. Okay.

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Well, and kind of what I mean is, is sometimes you hear certain, it's like, wow, I think we're maybe missing the full story. Right. And, and maybe missing a full, full backstory. And I think one of those stories that actually has even I would say within this last year has has become more prominent. Is that story of David and Bathsheba. Right. And and kind of what is going on. And there's, it's interesting when you look at different sermons online, and and depending on maybe the angle the church is coming from, you have sometimes a very sympathetic, you know, point of view in terms of Bathsheba. then other times, you have a very kind of damning view of Bathsheba that she is. The temperature is right, that she wanted to be seen all of these things. And historically,

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that's the interpretation that you get.

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Yeah. And it's and yeah, no, seems like that. Yeah, even within church fathers and all that. And it was a reference, often not always looked at David as maybe the full culprit in this story. So as as we approached David and Bathsheba and the story, like what are maybe some things we need to know about the story to, to begin to maybe read it more correctly?

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Yeah. If there's a wrong reading the right way? Well, I'm a big supporter of, of context. And that's kind of been a key word you're hearing a lot of people throw out there nowadays, which I'm really happy to hear because I've been beating that drum for a long time, right? And I'm sure people are like, Oh, my gosh, here she goes again. Yeah, but I really do believe that have looking at a contextual approach can really help us have a maybe a bigger view of the text and maybe the different? Maybe, I mean, we can never truly know, I think what original intent, the author's I mean, if we could travel back in time, that would be fantastic. I would be all over that. That would be great. But in our, with the sources and evidence that we have now, you know, as limited as that might be. So and I would always say that it's not just context singular, it's contexts plural, you know, and anyone who does history, or ancient literature or cultural context, knows that it's not just one context that helps open up the story in the context of the reader. All right, exactly. Right. And so for thin

Special guest Dr. Michelle Lee-Barnewell, associate professor of New Testament at Talbot School of Theology, joins Mark and Rex to discuss her recent book on the current status of the conversation on women in ministry and marriage. Dr. Lee-Barnewell pushes the listener to move beyond old ways of thinking about it to a new Kingdom approach.

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Welcome to Jessup bank. I'm your host Mark Moore and your co host, Rex Gurney. And Rex today on the show. I'm so excited that we have our eighth annual Faculty of theology spring lecture on the show. It's Dr. Michelle Lee Barnewell. She's an associate professor of New Testament at Talbot School of Theology Biola University. her recent book is entitled Neither Complementarian Nor Egalatarian: A Kingdom Corrected to the Evangelical Debate. And she just did an excellent job at the lecture, right. And we're excited to have her on the show. And we know that you, as a listener are really going to benefit from, from understanding this conversation in this debate in a new way.

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Michelle, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for the lecture you gave last night to at our eighth annual Faculty of theology spring lecture.

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Well, thank you. It's great to be great to be here with you. And it's great to be with everyone last night. Thank you so much for inviting me.

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Yeah, it was so wonderful. We got such good response to so well attended, actually. I mean, yeah, I feel proud of the fact it was Yes, it was like, our last one. Exactly. That's encouraging.

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I think it speaks to just how important the subject matter is and how interested people are in it. And they see that.

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Yeah, that's exactly the truth that there's that this kind of conversation around gender roles, and, and women in ministry and marriage is is a hot topic in the church. And it has been for, you know, at least, we can at least say the last couple 100 years. We're gonna least go back that far. And that's why I think, yeah, that the the lecture was so well attended. And because people have real questions on Hey, how do we and especially in the 21st century, how do we understand this? And one of the things that you do in your book that I really enjoyed, and I know Rex enjoys, because he's a history guy. Is that you? You do a little bit of like a historical survey of Okay, how did the conversation end up here? So I was, I would love and this was something you weren't able to kind of get into in the lecture. But you gave a shout out to the podcast. So yeah, that was

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a good promo.

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So I'd love to kind of hear a little bit of those. What do you think are some of those kind of major or significant historical factors that have kind of led to the current evangelical gender debate?

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Well, what I did in my book is I looked at three time periods and even telco history that I thought were very informative. And I started out with the turn of the century, around the late 1800s, early 1900s, and took a look at what was happening there. Then I took a look at the 1950s. And then the 1970s. And there are several things that I found out one was just looking at some of the trajectories that were there, but just also the contours of each period. So for example, the first period that I looked at in terms of the turn of the century, one of the things that I I found so interesting is I had this assume that when you look at history, it's going to be this trajectory of just increasing freedom for a woman in terms of what is a move towards a more progressive, but one of the things that really surprised me was that there was actually a lot of freedom for women to, to do public ministry. In fact, not only was there a lot of freedom, there was a they were actually compelled to go out there is actually they were acting out of a sense of duty, and obligation that the whole society was kind of expecting them to do

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historically, even in t

Mark and Rex get philosophical for an episode covering the powerful but tricky arena of existential philosophy. Questions of humanness and existence are covered, as well as a quick primer on key thinkers in existentialism.

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Hey, welcome to Jessup Think. I'm your host Mark Moore and your co host Rex Gurney. And today we're going to talk about existentialism, existentialism, that's how many syllables is that? Yeah, it's a lot. It's a good Scrabble word. I think we're gonna be using a lot of multisyllabic words, we are you prepared? Yeah, buckle up, get your dictionary out. The Saurus. Get Google ready, because this is just a thanks, you understand is we're trying to make you think. But now really excited because I think that existentialist thought raises some really good questions that Christians and non Christians wrestle with everybody, Russ? Yeah, everyone wrestled with. And so we're excited to kind of explore and maybe learn a little bit about existentialism sounds good to me.

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Rex, we're gonna be looking at a topic that I really enjoy, and I think you enjoy talking about and we'll see, we'll see if the listeners enjoy this topic. But it might be a topic. It's a, it's definitely gonna be a term that people have heard. But it often goes undefined. And there's often some

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misunderstandings. Yeah, exactly. People are talking about when they talk about it,

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right. Yeah. So we're going to talk about existentialism, that's the term with baggage. That's right, definitely has a lot of baggage in it. But it also this way, I like to think about it as it has a lot of potential. And it has a lot of potential because I think there's a lot happening within existential philosophy, that that bled into some existential theology and right, we'll get there.

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But in existential philosophy, it kind of highlights a little bit of the human condition. These are questions, mark that, you know, not just eggheads in exalted institutions, each other, or in a cafe in Paris, in a cafe in Paris, while you're sipping your cappuccino, exactly. But they are questions that everybody if they live, perhaps they don't articulate it using some of the philosophical language that writers will use. But these are questions that are are human questions that? Yeah, I would say everybody in some way, Russell's with at some point in their lives,

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right. Yeah. And so I want to kind of start with just throwing out a definition of existentialism because it's a, it's a term that once you know the definition of him, you can use it a lot. And then I noticed sometimes people look at me, they're like, wait, what, what does existentialism mean? And and so you can think of it this way is of a philosophical theory or approach. JOHN mcqueary, who was a Christian theologian, existential theologian, he calls it a style of philosophizing. So it's not just one school of philosophy. But it's a it's a philosophical approach different iterations, yeah. iterations, which emphasizes the existence of the individual person as a free and responsible agent, determining their own development through acts of the will. So this idea of of existentialism is really focused on our What does it mean to exist, right? And what does it mean to be a person who has freedom who has responsibility? And who is a decision maker? That that is one one line that I think you will really see. And we see kind of existentialism beginning with Kierkegaard. He's often called the father of centrism, although he probably be like, What? But as he kind of started these, these themes that are then more fully developed, kind of in Germany, and France and France, yeah, the 20th century, and, and this idea of the person as a decision maker, one way that I,

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when I'm trying to kind of have a pithy phrase to try to, you know, articulate, existential isn't to my students, I'll use the phrase existence precedes essence. Yeah. And and if folks

Mark and Rex charge into the dangerous territory of student questions. Without preparation or forethought, they attempt to answer a question drawn from a collection of theology students.

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Hey, welcome to Jessup think I'm your host Mark Moore, and your co host Rex Gurney. And today Rex we are. I'm excited. And I'm nervous about today's episode,

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we are going where no podcast has dare to go before, which is probably not true. But

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we have not heard. And we definitely have not gotten there yet. But But today we're coming in with no topic. That's right, no direct kind of question. But rather, we're

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coming in with a collection of questions, and we are just going to answer them on the fly, but profoundly

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profoundly on the fly. And, and these are questions that actually have come up in my theology class. So I teach a Christian theology class, that's all students have taken here. Jessup, no matter what their major is, and I love classes like that. For one, everyone has to take it. So it's kind of job security. But B, I really like just hearing questions from different perspectives, not just maybe from the Bible majors or theology majors. And, and so the last, we cover a lot of different categories of theology, kind of the traditional ones. But then last class of every semester, I kind of take a page out of Reddit, and I just do an AMA and asked me anything, so I can just write down and they can do it anonymously. So I just give them a half sheet of paper, they write down question, I do a similar thing, you know, and I kind of answered them in class. So I've, I've seen some of these questions, depending on what I randomly grab, okay, and this is random. desk right here, right now, this is, you know, in terms of magic, we are trying to be fully transparent, at least in the studio, studio. You can trust us at home, you can trust us. And, and and so I've I've seen them on a side know, some different categories, but I'm excited Yeah. Like to, to highlight because a lot of these questions represent the deep questions, right? We have right, and people have

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these questions is, yeah.

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And I think it's so important for the church for Christian universities, to, to handle and talk about the questions that people actually have, right, like, often, right? We don't, we're like, oh, that's great. But I really had this question. And,

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and what we're hoping is that these if you hear some awkward pauses, then we came up with a question that is unanswerable on the air at least suggested think that's right. And right, and I'm hoping we don't have too many of those. I remember when I was in college, I took an Edgar Allan Poe class. And one of the few stories that I really remember by Edgar Allan Poe was this story called The imp of the perverse, where of the perverse, which is, I guess, this little, I don't know, creature that sort of purchase on your shoulder and makes you do things, inappropriate things that you know, are going to ruin your life, but you can't help but do it anyway. And sometimes, when I was in college, I would almost have to grasp the desk, because I would feel after I read that story that I needed to ask a completely inappropriate question that had nothing to do with anything and was a distressing question in class knowing it would ruin my semester and, and yeah, not only get me kicked out of school, but it's like, I just almost had to ask that question. Fortunately, I never did that.

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I never said come to the verse But is there I mean, this is this kind of like, you know, an angel. Is there apparently there was angel of the nonpreferred I never did ask those questions. I hope we don't get there we go. Yeah, I'm sure there's you know, some students out there that have that same. Alright, I pulled one okay. Out of the pile. I'm not sure I'm nervous.

Mark goes rogue and delivers his first solo episode. Don't tell Rex.

TRANSCRIPT

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Welcome to Jessup think I'm your host, Mark Moore. And today on the episode, I am going rogue.

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going solo, this will be our first entry into the solo podcast. But I really had a topic that I've been wanting to talk about wanting to do a show on it and haven't been able to kind of find a guest maybe who's willing to talk about it or, or who's maybe as excited as I am about the topic. And so I wanted to take this opportunity, just you and me just just the listeners in me to talk about an experience that I think is common to us all. I think it's something that we all experience. But we don't necessarily maybe have words for it or have a description of it. And and I think putting a description on it is going to maybe help us understand what exactly is going on with that experience that I want to talk about today is that experience when someone tells you that you can't do something, why do you immediately want to do that? Right? Like you, you may not have ever even been thinking about it. You were never wanted to do that. But the minute someone says, You can't do this, you have that sense of Oh, yeah. Well, you can't Who are you to tell me? And, and and even if it's something you haven't talked about, or haven't even thought about, you still have that kind of desire. And I kind of kind of note that desire as a pre reflective desire. And what I mean there is, you don't think about it, it just kind of happens. someone tells you, you can't do this.

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You You can't drive over 55 miles an hour new lingo really, what about 56 157? What about 85? If you live in California, and so, but you just have that desire, and sometimes I think it's good for us to then take those pre reflective desires, and really examine them, like, wow, Where is that coming from? Like, I didn't even want to do that thing. But when you put a limit on me, are you telling me No, I now want to do it. And so to illustrate this kind of experience, I want to tell you a story about the Parental Advisory stickers. Now the Parental Advisory stickers occurred during a time of American civilization, when people still bought CDs and cassette tapes. So for all my listeners, maybe under the age of 30, will say CDs are these circular things, they are mostly silver, and used to put them into a CD player. And a lot of cars were equipped with CD players, cassettes, the more the little rectangle, got tape in there. You may have seen them in your grandpa's collection, maybe. Now, here's you could also think about this. This Parental Advisory sticker was also on vinyl was also on LPs, which I'm really excited that that has made a full comeback and the sound is so much better. So maybe for all my listeners under 30. It's a CD is kind of like a record just smaller, and sounds worse because it's compressed. But but they would have been on on both. And it's really interesting, kind of the story behind the Parental Advisory sticker because even now with a lot of our streaming services, we have something similar in the sense of well known songs as explicit, right explicit language or explicit content. And that was the purpose behind the Parental Advisory sticker and it all kind of started actually with a group called parents music Resource Center and this was co founded by tipper Gore. And so in some ways, they became known as the tipper stickers, but tipper Gore. So she's the wife of Al Gore, if you have some political American history, and she was a little bit concerned about albums that her daughter had. So in the early 80s, this group got together the pmrc with tipper gore and others, and they put together a list of songs that had explicit content explicit language and they took that to the Recording Industry Association of America that are are ay ay ay ay ay. and said, Hey, we we really feel like we need to have stickers on these to let parents know the type of languag