In this episode of 'Hope Is A Muscle,' host Mary Chapin Carpenter sits down with the legendary Joan Baez for an intimate, personal, and inspiring conversation exploring Joan's career spanning six decades as a musician, activist, and advocate for social justice and nonviolence. Joan shares insights on overcoming pessimism, the importance of nature and art in maintaining hope, and her latest creative ventures post-retirement from touring. They also explore the impact of Quaker practices on Joan's life, her experiences with therapy and trauma, and the significance of maintaining hope in challenging times.