Todd Phillips and Joaquin Phoenix delivered a divisive detour in the superhero genre with 2019's 'Joker,' now returning with their more-meta, multi-genre sequel 'Joker: Folie à Deux.' In a both non-spoiler and spoiler conversation, Kelsi and Trey discuss the discourse around both Joker films, the intention vs reaction to these character studies, and whether or not Phillips totally concentrates his anti-superhero commentary.

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