Jill & Richo have a cracker chat with Jordan on how he came to Melbourne & pivoted from Real Estate into something he is super passionate about. He works for Coravin which is a really interesting wine preservation gadget with a wonderful back story (and has tasted some of the great wines of the world... not bad for a Carlton supporter. Gabriella Rush (Gabs!! a genuinely passionate Collingwood fan) also joins in the chat and we hear about some more minimal intervention gear and her adventures making small batch wines and working as a rock star in cool little venues including Vinoshis in Ivanhoe East.